Let's face it, they're letting it rip.

[ZednotZee]

Aren't they?

The vaccines aren't seemingly preventing transmission.

We are opening up on the 19th.

This is being done presumably as the public appetite for further lockdowns will be nil come October/November so best to get it over with now and have heard immunity come the autumn.

They won't say it but its becoming very clear that the immunocompromised need to continue to shield til the rest of us have contracted and got over the infection.

The NHS discovered that lockdown means flu disappeared.

This is an enormous problem actually. Flu strategy is fucked for next year as immunity will be much lower than usual and it’ll be much harder to guess the strain for vaccination purposes. They know this is unsustainable.

The dawning realisation that lockdowns create health problems is part of what’s driving this approach.

That makes sense. I understand now. Thank you @RedToothBrush

Life goes on.

Always.

With - or without - us particular individual, genetic propagators.

Good. There won't be an NHS for anything if people can't work.

CEV kids get better protection this way.

[quote SorrySoldOut]@DontDoThatGeorge fucking pathetic because I will no longer wear a mask am I? Well I don’t give a toss love…. I’m not doing it anymore. End of

You work for nhs? Well crack on.[/quote]
If you don't care, why are you replying. Special snowflake, shine on the world in your masklessness, awww (but not near me, thanks).

@TheKeatingFive

The NHS discovered that lockdown means flu disappeared.

This is an enormous problem actually. Flu strategy is fucked for next year as immunity will be much lower than usual and it’ll be much harder to guess the strain for vaccination purposes. They know this is unsustainable.

The dawning realisation that lockdowns create health problems is part of what’s driving this approach.

You may well be right. They're fire fighting here playing catch-up with elective surgery as well as sudden illness, emergency admissions. Either way they know people will die. Some tough decisions being made

@Hardbackwriter

Genuinely, what do you think should be done instead?

We should wait to open up until heard immunity can be achieved through vaccination. As far as I have read, not enough of the population are vaccinated yet. Letting everything go is a complete disaster imo. We were so close. I am very very worried.

@Blinky21

What else can we do? Well we could keep current measures in place until case numbers of the Delta variant have started to drop again. The recklessness of this government is sickening they are prepared to sacrifice vulnerable people to satisfy the Covid Recovery Group. We are cannon fodder to them. But then when have Tories given a shit about the vulnerable

Absolutely this.

I am especially worried for my children and for others kids. Wtf are they doing? There will undoubtedly be a rise in children falling seriously ill and dying. They don't give a f*ck.
Before everyone shouts it's rare in children. Cases will rise of multi inflammatory because it will be allowed to circulate.
Everyone with children should be concerned.

We should wait to open up until heard immunity can be achieved through vaccination. As far as I have read, not enough of the population are vaccinated yet.

Herd immunity levels is officially a minimum of 70% double vaccinated.

We are currently at 86% adults for first dose and 64% for second. By the 19th we should be at 67% for second doses.

Also over 85% of people had covid antibodies in their blood in the last ONS survey (from infection and vaccination). That was from the start of June. The next data drop is tomorrow. That technically puts us above herd immunity levels.

We aren't going to hit 100% any time soon though.

My point is that by the 19th we arguably will have reached the threshold you are suggesting

So whats the problem?

People from every age group are going to die of Covid every year from now on

There literally is no preventing it - there is nothing that can change that fact

Some children die of flu every year - in an average year we have 20,000 flu deaths - and they're now predicting that there will be similar Covid deaths

@RedToothBrush

We should wait to open up until heard immunity can be achieved through vaccination. As far as I have read, not enough of the population are vaccinated yet.

Herd immunity levels is officially a minimum of 70% double vaccinated.

We are currently at 86% adults for first dose and 64% for second. By the 19th we should be at 67% for second doses.

Also over 85% of people had covid antibodies in their blood in the last ONS survey (from infection and vaccination). That was from the start of June. The next data drop is tomorrow. That technically puts us above herd immunity levels.

We aren't going to hit 100% any time soon though.

My point is that by the 19th we arguably will have reached the threshold you are suggesting

So whats the problem?

1. It's 87%, not 70%.

2. Children are people too.

is she still going?! Zzzz

@LaurieFairyCake

People from every age group are going to die of Covid every year from now on

There literally is no preventing it - there is nothing that can change that fact

Some children die of flu every year - in an average year we have 20,000 flu deaths - and they're now predicting that there will be similar Covid deaths

Laurie Fairy Cake

People from every age group at dying because of Tory austerity policies.

They have been doing this for ten years odd. This is me. And my friends and neighbours.

When you say
'there is no preventing it' are you saying the government ought to do nothing at all to prevent people dying?

Who is WE?

What on earth are you on about saying in an 'average' year?

children are children, do you have any?

And who do you think moulds our future?

Honestly, your post is disgusting

@Supersimkin2

Good. There won't be an NHS for anything if people can't work.

CEV kids get better protection this way.

How do CEB kids get better protection this way

Explain.

This is rubbish.

@neveradullmoment99

I am especially worried for my children and for others kids. Wtf are they doing? There will undoubtedly be a rise in children falling seriously ill and dying. They don't give a f*ck. Before everyone shouts it's rare in children. Cases will rise of multi inflammatory because it will be allowed to circulate. Everyone with children should be concerned.

That’s one of the most over the top reactions I think I’ve seen.

It’s been around for 1.5 years. Do you think it bypassed all children until now? Most children are asymptotic.

How many deaths of children have there been due to covid?

Are you not aware that the chances of a child dying from covid is about a million to one?….

The real frightening thing is the Mental Heath implications it has caused so many of them, yet people still want prolonged lockdown to stop them dying…. . It’s quite mind blowing when you think about it!!!!

are you saying the government ought to do nothing at all to prevent people dying?

No, that's not what she's saying. But that's what you want her to be saying so off you pop with your faux outrage and go misinterpret someone else.

@scrambledcustard

Texas and Florida havnt worn masks for a while and they are doing great

I wouldn't think so if I was living there.

beigebrownblue

"We" is obviously the UK. The UK has 20,000 deaths from flu in an average year.

"They" (the government) prevent as many as possible by producing the flu vaccine.

It will now be the same with Covid. You get the vaccine, some people still die.

There is nothing 'disgusting' in my post.

It's just facts. People will die. I've had family members die from flu.

I'm obviously against Tory austerity policies - but they don't have anything to do with my post apart from in a loose tangential way

That’s one of the most over the top reactions I think I’ve seen.

It’s been around for 1.5 years. Do you think it bypassed all children until now? Most children are asymptotic.

How many deaths of children have there been due to covid?

Are you not aware that the chances of a child dying from covid is about a million to one?….

The real frightening thing is the Mental Heath implications it has caused so many of them, yet people still want prolonged lockdown to stop them dying…. . It’s quite mind blowing when you think about it!!!!

@TableFlowerss I think that's a little unfair. Covid is a new disease and its long-term effects are still being studied. With Delta outbreaks now affecting unvaccinated children, it isn't unreasonable to be concerned about post-viral disease in children and their long-term future.

And the word is asymtomatic. 'Asymptotic' means something else entirely.

And if statistics are right 11 children are going to die of Covid in the next year (if it's one in a million deaths) - as we expect much higher immunity

34 children died in the last year of Covid

@Toesies

That’s one of the most over the top reactions I think I’ve seen.

It’s been around for 1.5 years. Do you think it bypassed all children until now? Most children are asymptotic.

How many deaths of children have there been due to covid?

Are you not aware that the chances of a child dying from covid is about a million to one?….

The real frightening thing is the Mental Heath implications it has caused so many of them, yet people still want prolonged lockdown to stop them dying…. . It’s quite mind blowing when you think about it!!!!

@TableFlowerss I think that's a little unfair. Covid is a new disease and its long-term effects are still being studied. With Delta outbreaks now affecting unvaccinated children, it isn't unreasonable to be concerned about post-viral disease in children and their long-term future.

And the word is asymtomatic. 'Asymptotic' means something else entirely.

Obviously it was a typo….

I don’t believe I said it doesn’t affect children, what I said was, the risk of them dying from it is about one in a million.

Schools have been back since March, so the Delta variant has been sweeping more than any other. Thankfully, there still no deaths of children reported. They even said it was no more deadly, just more contagious. Stands to reason!

The suffering of their MH is significantly higher and will affect hundreds of thousands to some degree. The focus needs to be on that as a priority.

@LaurieFairyCake

And if statistics are right 11 children are going to die of Covid in the next year (if it's one in a million deaths) - as we expect much higher immunity

34 children died in the last year of Covid

And of those 34 I suspect most had underlying health conditions? That’s an important factor to consider because most children don’t.

Before anyone jumps on whether or not it should matter if they had underlying health conditions, because that’s what people used to do when that was brought up about adults, it matters because it doesn’t represent the average person.

It’s absolutely devastating to hear of any child dying of covid, but the facts need to be given surrounding such devastating circumstances.

And I most people are vaccinated now so on theory it shouldn’t spread as much. Hopefully vulnerable children will be given the vaccine soon.

I'm not 100% but I think that's true of ALL age groups - that the vast majority of people who've died have had underlying conditions - the most obvious one being of very elderly

The average death age is over 80 - of Covid, flu and pneumonia

@LaurieFairyCake

I'm not 100% but I think that's true of ALL age groups - that the vast majority of people who've died have had underlying conditions - the most obvious one being of very elderly

The average death age is over 80 - of Covid, flu and pneumonia

Exactly, but some people get their back up when that’s pointed, yet it’s completely relative to the point that it doesn’t affect the general population, as a whole, in the same significant way.