ONS report - majority of parents would vaccinate their children

[Dustyboots]

Would you?

They're gunning for this now. I find that worrying.

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I haven’t said that it doesn’t reduce transmission.

Yes, the decision does come from each person but if that person is being coerced by the threat of losing their job, not being able to go into certain places, not being able to travel then how much of a free choice is it really? Wrt children, will they not be allowed to go on school trips? Will their friends start to exclude them? It’s a slippery slope and I find it very disturbing that so many people seem willing to go along with this.

Yes, long covid seems to be the new thing that people are focussing on, now that the death figures aren’t scary enough. Isn’t the data on the Zoe app from their own survey?

The ons reports much lower prevalence:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/4june2021

The leading symptom is fatigue in people who ‘had (or suspected they had) COVID-19 at least 12 weeks previously.

It’s going to be a while before we get accurate data on this and they really need to start separating out people with severe, life changing symptoms from those with a lingering cough or loss of taste/smell for a few months.

With jobs, they already do that with certain jobs that require certain vaccination. My former job required one too. I had a choice to take the job, or don't.
School trips for children, it's not really up to the country they live in, it's up to the country they go to, so we can't control that. If the friends started excluding others because of the vaccine status, that needsto be tackled either by school/teacher or parents.

I don't think it's something odd to focus on long covid now since the death rate and hospitalisation has decreased, we now moved on to the next stage of how we live with covid. We all know it won't suddenly disappear, so need to learn to manage life without being too affected by it.

And agree the data isn't all there yet, so we need to wait and see.

certain jobs that may have put people at risk - not standard office jobs etc.

I’m talking about school trips in the U.K. -will they not be allowed to go away on residentials if they aren’t vaccinated. And I don’t think schools are going to be able to interfere with parents’ decisions about who they let their children hang out with.

We all know it won't suddenly disappear, so need to learn to manage life without being too affected by it.

Yes, but I don’t agree with moving from making people afraid of dying from COVID to making people afraid of long covid to do this.

I’m horrified the way this is heading. It is immoral to vaccinate children who receive no benefit from it, unless they are vulnerable. And we know for a small minority these vaccines are not safe.

I know some of the JCVI are against it and I pray to god the others listen.

I didn’t think in a million years we would get here.

My heart weeps for the young people who will die or suffer life long heart issues from a vaccine they don’t need and are given to prevent community spread in a vaccinated population. Utterly grim and history will judge us harshly

What is the point of talking about ifs now? We don't know what will happen in the future. If school trips in uk need vaccination, who is talking about it now, and why are you concerned? Can you not challenge the school if that happens? I can't see that happening anyway.
And I am sure school have say in bullying by excluding in school.

People haven't moved from being afraid of death to being afraid of long covid, it was there from the start, just that there were so many death before, people were more worried about death, but since the death has decreased dramatically, we can now talk about other issues too.

Anyway, I don't think we will see eye to eye. Best leave it there for now.

@Roonerspismed

I’m horrified the way this is heading. It is immoral to vaccinate children who receive no benefit from it, unless they are vulnerable. And we know for a small minority these vaccines are not safe.

I know some of the JCVI are against it and I pray to god the others listen.

I didn’t think in a million years we would get here.

My heart weeps for the young people who will die or suffer life long heart issues from a vaccine they don’t need and are given to prevent community spread in a vaccinated population. Utterly grim and history will judge us harshly

I suppose others fear impact of acquiring immunity through infection. It’s hard on here as either side is very impassioned.

I’m glad JCVI have talked about the ethical issue you raise and think they will be cautious.

Whatever they do I hope they are clear on why so we can try to decide with some information.

yep, I absolutely would. She gets the flu vaccine. And that's for the benefit of the community rather than her. What's the difference? If it's approved then I'll let her have it.

Here in Cyprus they have just called up 16-17 year olds. My DS signed up for his appointment on the day the portal opened for his age. My 15 DD will be the only one of my immediate family who has not been vaccinated, and once she is eligible she will have it. My DS had to present a letter signed by both his parents in order to get jabbed

I can't see that happening anyway.

Have a look back at last year’s threads @roguetomato. People didn’t think vaccine passports would be a thing or that people would be putting pressure on others to get vaccinated because ‘it’s not compulsory’. That is why people are talking about it now. Because we can see where we have already slipped to and we don’t want to go any further.

Tbh, vaccine passport was predicted anyway, at least some people were saying it's possible re foreign travel. It's up to other country, not UK. To enable British people to travel abroad, UK needs to do something about it. Nothing sinister, really.
It really doesn't make any difference no matter anti vax people shout vaccine is dangerous to prevent people getting vaccinated. Majority will choose to get vaccinated. Majority of parents wants their children get vaccinated.
I don't think anything has slipped. Maybe in your view that everything is going against, but to me, it's the way to end this suffering and move on with life.

Yes, it was predicted by some and people argued that it was all conspiracy theory nonsense. Clearly not.

I think having to prove your vaccine status in order to have freedom of movement is pretty sinister actually.

Yes, the majority of people may choose to be vaccinated but it should be free choice - not coercion in order to ‘get their freedom back’. That’s supposed to be the default, not something we earn.

No, if I remember correctly, no one said that needing vaccine passport for foreign travel was conspiracy, because it already exist. Some people were saying it's likely, through their own experience. I also have own experience needing certificate for vaccination to live and go to school in foreign country, so I didn't think it was unlikely either.
What's unlikely is needing vaccine passport for everyday life. I'm sure many people, including vaccinated will oppose to that to certain degree.

Until fairly recently, it was still a possibility that they would have been needed for access to some things in the U.K. They seem to have ruled them out for now, thankfully, but Ireland are considering only allowing double vaxxed people to dine indoors. Madness.

We’ve lived too long in the luxury of freedom to believe it can ever be taken away. We’re sleep walking into this.

Until the majority has been vaccinated and herd immunity has been achieved, I can't say it's madness. After all, we don't want to get ill so we got vaccinated. People have a choice to avoid unnecessary exposure. But since vaccine hasn't been offered to everyone, it's unfair if it was done at the moment.
I am not sure if I strongly agree with the idea, but if there were 2 place to choose from and one only allows vaccinated people and other anyone, I would choose the former.

@Dustyboots

We’ve lived too long in the luxury of freedom to believe it can ever be taken away. We’re sleep walking into this.

No, some are running, not sleepwalking. Remember the posters on here wanting the Army on the streets to enforce lockdowns?

I’ve got family members who want the vaccines compulsory for all.

People are frightening sometimes.

@roguetomato

Until the majority has been vaccinated and herd immunity has been achieved, I can't say it's madness. After all, we don't want to get ill so we got vaccinated. People have a choice to avoid unnecessary exposure. But since vaccine hasn't been offered to everyone, it's unfair if it was done at the moment. I am not sure if I strongly agree with the idea, but if there were 2 place to choose from and one only allows vaccinated people and other anyone, I would choose the former.

I really don’t understand why vaccinated people are so afraid of unvaccinated people.

I really don’t understand why vaccinated people are so afraid of unvaccinated people.

Because vaccines don't work for everyone. The Covid vaccine doesn't work so well for those taking immunpsuppressing drugs - those who have had an organ transplant for example, or who have MS or rheumatoid arthritis.

That's why we aim for herd immunity with vaccinations.

But surely you know this?

I really don’t understand why vaccinated people are so afraid of unvaccinated people.

@bumbleymummy they're not

As a vaccinated person, I'm worried about potentially transmitting coronavirus to an unvaccinated person, setting of new chains of infection with all the consequences we're trying to avoid

This a pretty common way of thinking, it's not that people are personally scared themselves of getting ill

Similarly we vaccinate boys against Rubella to achieve herd immunity, so that women don't get Rubella in pregnancy.

That was in response to the idea that a vaccinated, non-immunocompromised person would rather go to a ‘vaccine only’ bar/restaurant. I really don’t think it’s because they’re worried about infecting other people.

No, but none of my kids are CEV. The balance of risk would probably swing in favour of vaccinating them if they were.

To clarify for bumbleymummy - I'm not worried particularly about me getting Covid. I'm not worried particularly about my children getting Covid.

But DD's classmate had a heart transplant recently, and I'd really like to protect her from getting Covid.

I'd like to protect my friend Jennie who has RA from getting Covid, given that she's over 55, extremely CEV, and there's a chance her vaccine hasn't worked.

I'd like to protect my friend's daughter, who has such severe allergies that her hospital consultant won't let her get the Covid vaccine.

If that means vaccinating my children with a vaccine that has already been received by millions of people, I'm all for it.

That’s all well and good but not everyone feels the same way about vaccinating their children so those immunocompromised people will always be at risk of encountering someone who isn’t vaccinated (for whatever reason) - just as they’re at risk of encountering people with flu or other viruses that could make them ill.

To be fair children can be vaccinated against flu themselves, so those who are CEV can often get some form of protection for themselves.