40-somethings fucked again (no booster)

[HJ40]

Too old for Pfizer, too young for a booster. Yet again feeling like we're bottom of the pile.

@PoseyFlump

Some posters have totally misunderstood the OP.

Over 40s were considered 'at risk' enough from covid to justify taking the risk with AstraZeneca (cut off age 40)

But not 'at risk' enough when it comes to boosters. It's a valid point of view.

Those aged over 40 are more likely to be caring for grandchildren and elderly parents. They should feel valued, not dispensable.

Those between 40-49 are more likely to be caring for grandchildren and elderly parents? Do me a favour. Their kids will be teenagers or young adults and their parents will not be frail or in their late 80's/90's and need constant support and personal care.

The 40-somethings are the age group least likely to be caring for others if you ask me.

So by my maths, in six months time we will still be in the depths of winter. But don't need a booster?

They haven’t said you don’t need a booster. They have said you don’t need a booster yet

Whereas some of the first people to receive their vaccines are also likely to have made a less robust immune response than you have. Their need is greater than yours. The first of them to get a booster will do so 9 months after their first dose.

While they are having their boosters, JCVI will be collecting and analysing data and then making a recommendation about whether you also need a booster.

If they decide that you do need a booster, you will be offered it. But you will be behind the people whose need is greater than yours, just like you were at the beginning of the rollout.

I'm early 60s and had my second jab in June, I don't particularly want a booster and certainly not until at least 6 months after my second one, I'm sure I won't be the only one that feels that. It's being railroaded into having jabs all the while, someone else can have mine

DH (47) got his second dose this week. I don’t feel he therefore needs a booster in the autumn as he’lp have plenty of protection. I had my second jab in March (work in healthcare)so am assuming I may get a booster as I usually get a flu jab through work. But if I don’t get one, so be it!

@Ceara

And many of us likely to have kids at the big school Covid-19 party. Super.

And some of us actually working at the party. I want a booster if close contacts don't have to isolate.

Selfish and unjustified self-pity.

This is from the BBC coverage, showing that the booster rollout will basically mirror the initial rollout. Do you remember all the “what about the under 50’s, are we even going to be offered it?”

Who could get a third dose?

In the meantime, the JCVI's advice is to offer a third Covid jab (and a flu jab) to the following people from September 2021:

adults aged 16 and over who are immunosuppressed or clinically extremely vulnerable
residents in care homes for older adults
all adults aged 70 and over
frontline health and social care workers

After those groups, it will be:

all adults aged 50 and over
adults aged 16-49 who are in a flu or Covid-19 at-risk group
those living in the same house as people who are immunosuppressed

Prof Wei Shen Lim, Covid-19 chair for JCVI, said all these groups would also be eligible for the annual flu vaccine and were strongly advised to have it.

and as I previously quoted, but here it is in context:

Younger adults will be not be given a third dose, because they will only have had their second dose in the summer, although this decision will be revisited at a later time, the JCVI said.

You are probably better off waiting for a booster later on (next year?) instead anyway as this year's booster dose will be done using the same vaccines we already use now. Prof Adam Finn was just talking about this on the BBC, saying that the new vaccines tweaked for the variants are not likely to come on stream until very late this year or early next year.

The booster round is mainly because older people don't develop as good an immune response to a vaccine so having a booster really helps with that. Younger adults are likely to have better protection from the initial two vaccinations this year.

It's possible everyone who has had AZ will need a booster. Given the recent reports.

*will need a mRNA booster.

www.itv.com/news/2021-06-29/covid-two-oxford-vaccines-produce-low-level-of-antibodies-against-delta-variant-study-shows

It seems to be that everyone has their own reason for feeling like they should get a booster 😊

I'll throw my reasons in why I should get a booster if I could do: I cannot work from home ever. I am a lab technician. I work with something more dangerous than Covid in a sense. I take the bus to work once a day, its a 30 min to 40 min journey. I travel along side people who work in large factories such as an M&S factory, Amazon warehouse, DHL warehouse. The bus was packed early morning pre-pandemic. Getting busier now. My hubby does the other journey in the car picking me up, bless him.

Surely taking the bus is a HIGH RISK thing according to the government 🤣 I mean public transport users had to don a face mask before they became compulsory everywhere else apart from hospitals, etc.

But I won't get a covid vaccine booster and it doesn't really bother me. I pay for the flu jab. I am 45 yrs of age. I worked through the whole of the pandemic last year. I took the bus from June last year. I don't appear to have ever caught Covid from the HIGH RISK activities lol I think I will be fine without a booster. Plus I would probably end up with AZ as a booster (if 40's were offered them free). I had AZ as jab 1 and 2 by the way.

I do feel sorry for you - I turned 50 during the lockdowns and entering the next covid group made turning 50 useful!

I worry they will change the definitions of CV and CEV to fit the amount of vaccine they have or other reasons. The news item I saw did not specifically call the groups CV and CEV but most vulnerable and adults at risk.
The amount of stress people went through when various conditions were not included, not to mention the carers struggling to get the vaccine, I really hope that does not happen again.

I am glad thought that NHS frontline staff, some of whom had their second dose in early January, will be getting a booster seeing as some of them spend their day in a haze of Covid.
Many countries, including the US, mandate FFP3 masks for those working on Covid wards - in the UK it is only FFP1, despite a trial at Addenbrookes showing that staff wearing FFP3 mask had a 100% decrease in infection! But the frontline staff treating Covid are expected to risk their lives and their families' lives in the same paper mask the rest of us wear for shopping.

I'm 40.

First in jan and second in April under work qualified using rules.

I can't find anything about booster jabs for those who had it through work.

My ds is 16 and had first April and second last week.

He shouldn't need a booster but may get under CV group 6?

I'm also his carer so may get a booster this way?

I think right now there isn't enough final decision making to really know what the plans are (unless I've missed it?!)

@HJ40 Plus with regards to timings, those in their early 40s are currently receiving their second doses. So by my maths, in six months time we will still be in the depths of winter. But don't need a booster?

I completely understand your frustration, but I don't think they are actually saying that you don't need and absolutely won't get a booster - just that you need one less than if you were over 50, and at this stage they are only committing publicly to the over 50s, but they will revisit in the future when we get closer to vaccinating all the over 50s.

Reading between the lines, I think they are saying they'll start first with over 70s and ECVs, then move to 50+ and CVs, and then "revisit" which means if they can get all that done, they will lower the age limit for boosters to 40, etc. if they are finding that the boosters are both necessary and also helpful.

It seems to me that the big picture is that the UK has done extremely well with its vaccination campaign compared to all other large countries, which is even more impressive considering how underresourced UK healthcare is relative to the wealth of this country (but that is another topic …)

I don't understand why people keep telling us off for wanting boosters ahead of those who are more vulnerable than we are. Nobody is saying that. We're just concerned that we've not been included in the queue. Happy to be st the back of it behind groups 1-9. But would like the reassurance of being in the queue and allowed to have a booster when it's our turn.

Re "Those between 40-49 are more likely to be caring for children and elderly parents? Do me a favour. Their kids will be teenagers or young adults and their parents will not be frail or in their late 80's/90's and need constant support and personal care". What nonsense. I have a child in infant school and parents and PILs in their late 70s (plus a husband with a non-CV health condition) and I'm in my late 40s. Plenty of people are having their babies after 35. Plenty of 40-something parents with young kids in my workplace, and at DS's school.

As noted up thread, I imagine a lot of 40-something teachers would like to be allowed to be in the queue for a booster too.

Why do 40 year old teachers need a booster if they’ve not long had their secodn?

Did you know only 89 people under 40 who weren’t in the CEV or CV group have died?

Do you realise how crazy people sound when spouting how scared they are

The reality is - I imagine - that covid boosters will likely only be needed by groups 1-9 in same way flu jabs are only routinely offered to such people

I’m 44 and have never been offered a flu jab and wouldn’t desire one

My teens have also never been offered on e

I'm in my 40s.

As a matter of interest, if they start giving the clinically vulnerable and over 50s a booster from the start of September, when do those of you complaining about not getting a booster, think they would get to the 40 - 49 year old group?

In practical terms it will not be this side of Christmas. At which point, we are into peak season - and if they are starting to see a problem with our age group, then they almost certainly will roll forward onto our age group.

With the best will in the world there's no way we can get through the system quicker anyway. And we still remain lower risk than the over 50s regardless of how anxious we become about this

In a sense the decision is ultimately made FOR the government rather than BY the government by the basic limitation of how long it takes to vaccinate the over 50s and clinically vulnerable.

Thats hardly throwing anyone under the bus. Its being realistic and not giving false expectations that simply can not be delivered.

So by my maths, in six months time we will still be in the depths of winter. But don't need a booster?

Where does six months come from?

@MarshaBradyo The BBC news article which pp have quoted talks of current available data showing that vaccines are thought to protect people from serious illness for at least six months.

@MarshaBradyo

So by my maths, in six months time we will still be in the depths of winter. But don't need a booster?

Where does six months come from?

People seem to think the protection only lasts 6 months. This isn’t correct... they have just only got 6 months of data to work from. The expectation is that protection lasts far longer.

I am thankful as a teacher I will get a booster. As a CEV teacher in school, with no PPE, with so many positive cases I am feeling rather anxious about winter. I had hoped 12-16’s might have been offered vaccines, which would hopefully reduce transmission in schools but that is not happening just yet or at all.