40-somethings fucked again (no booster)

[HJ40]

Too old for Pfizer, too young for a booster. Yet again feeling like we're bottom of the pile.

@Raaaaaaarr

Totally get it. Waited forever to get vaccine and offered one that people only a few years younger would not be offered. Now don't get a booster bit in age bracket where need to work, have kids at school etc so more exposed than say an older person. Feel like we are the shitty middle ground on everything but we contribute so much to society at this age. This will sound really bitter but we are yet again losing out to baby boomers (there, I said it!)

WTF with the baby boomers talk. The ageism on here is unbelievable. Older people are more vulnerable than you, had their vaccines ages ago and they have as much right to a booster at the right time as you do. Of course older or more vulnerable people are getting it before you do.

Everybody who got AZ should get a booster. The antibody study that came out yesterday showed a significant differential between Pfizer and AZ in a cohort of recipients mostly in this age group. And the delta variant is known to affect people in their 30s and 40s more seriously.

I'm fed up of constantly falling just outside the boundaries of data based calculations.

What do you propose as an alternative? That people in greater need than you be put lower down the list, to alleviate you of feeling fed up?

You’re fed up of being so statistically unlikely to suffer serious ill health that…..what? You want maximum protection ahead of those at greater risk than you?

This is making absolutely no sense. You’re complaining about your good fortune.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Tbh , as someone who works in the vaccine hubs we are struggling to get the 40s/30s to take a 2nd dose never mind a 3rd

I’m in this age group and haven’t even been offered my second yet.

Three months is a long time in terms of covid and a lot can change. Who knows what the final decision will be.

I would feel the same but I think protection will be ongoing for a while, plus you get the protection from everyone else having a booster. Then by the time your immunity is waning we could well have more vaccine supply.. I even think it won’t be that long until there are more, different vaccines and you can just go and buy it in Boots like you do a flu vaccine

How much vaccine do you want or need??!!!

My 48 year old DP was vaccinated December and Jan (in NHS) in the very start of rollout. He just got antibody test results back and still has very high level of antibodies in his blood.

What about carers? I had my first jab in Feb, same time as my parents in their 70s, so a lot earlier than most people in their 40s but looks like I won't be offered a booster in the Autumn even though my immunity might be lower over the winter than people in their 40s who were vaccinated more recently.

A booster - what are you on about?

Ah I get it, the over 50's are to be offered a booster before winter. Well considering that the over 50s have all had their 2nd jab already and that a booster would need to be done annually, then they have to start somewhere.

Or would you rather the 40-somethings had it before the frail and elderly and other groups considered more vulnerable than you?

@PoseyFlump

Some posters have totally misunderstood the OP.

Over 40s were considered 'at risk' enough from covid to justify taking the risk with AstraZeneca (cut off age 40)

But not 'at risk' enough when it comes to boosters. It's a valid point of view.

Those aged over 40 are more likely to be caring for grandchildren and elderly parents. They should feel valued, not dispensable.

Yes, this.

I know how you feel. I’ve just had my second dose and with the latest news about AZ not being as effective against the delta variant I would like a booster - I’d be happy to pay, as I do for the flu vaccine every year. I have children at school and also being in my 40s but not having had my 40+ health check due to covid I could have underlying issues I’m unaware of. As the above poster says, I was deemed at enough risk from covid that I should have AZ (when it’s 60+ only in some other countries).

And I’m happy to wait my turn but it sounds like they aren’t going to offer one at all.

@Blooter carers are on the flu jab list aren't they?

@IndigoC

Everybody who got AZ should get a booster. The antibody study that came out yesterday showed a significant differential between Pfizer and AZ in a cohort of recipients mostly in this age group. And the delta variant is known to affect people in their 30s and 40s more seriously.

This.

To the people complaining about 'being offered a vaccine younger people wouldn't be, you do realise that all CEV and group 6 people had been called and many had AstraZeneca before that advice was even issued?

There is a lot of 'whoa is me' on this thread. You are all being treated in accordance with your risk factor. The people who are ahead of you for a booster are ahead of you because they have more of a risk of dying. Would you rather some of us just popped out clogs so you can jump ahead in the queue?

@PoseyFlump

Some posters have totally misunderstood the OP.

Over 40s were considered 'at risk' enough from covid to justify taking the risk with AstraZeneca (cut off age 40)

But not 'at risk' enough when it comes to boosters. It's a valid point of view.

Those aged over 40 are more likely to be caring for grandchildren and elderly parents. They should feel valued, not dispensable.

Yes this.

OP is right.

The simple fact is that CV (when including age risk) should be as it is in other countries. From 40/45, and not 50.

@HJ40

I mean the 40s were well into being vaccinated with AZ when it was said it wouldn't be used on under 30s and then they were on about 42 year olds when they said not under 40s.

So we were too old to be ask highest risk of clots but too young to be at highest risk of Covid and had to accept the clot risk or choose not to be vaccinated.

And now we're too young to receive the booster. I'm trying to be positive and look on the bright sides, but I'm fed up of constantly being on the cusp and falling on the 'worse' side of things.

What the fuck? You've been given two jabs against a condition that probably won't be harmful to you anyway. Why the hell do you want a third?

I agree with indigo the
Protection from AZ isnt as good. So pfizer should be offered to all AZ first. Which includes most older people i know.
It's all shit.
Only allowed AZ so had to take the risk.
Less protection.
Parents and pil less protected
My dc arent going to be vaxxed.
Gov have messed up by not having enough other doses. Too many eggs in AZ basket.
It's really really bad luck and everyone is paying for this.
And as Az still results in symptoms in 40% of people then there will be high cases.

It's pretty unfair people in rich countries get offered boosters when so many vulnerable people in developing countries won't even get their first vaccination for months yet.

I'm sure annual boosters will be available to pay for privately in the future but this is not the time for that.

Most people in their 40s and younger will only be having their 2nd vaccination around now so there is no need for a booster until next year at the earliest anyway.

@HSHorror

I agree with indigo the Protection from AZ isnt as good. So pfizer should be offered to all AZ first. Which includes most older people i know. It's all shit. Only allowed AZ so had to take the risk. Less protection. Parents and pil less protected My dc arent going to be vaxxed. Gov have messed up by not having enough other doses. Too many eggs in AZ basket. It's really really bad luck and everyone is paying for this. And as Az still results in symptoms in 40% of people then there will be high cases.

Please can you link to where you've got your 40% figure from as it sounds like complete bollocks to me.

It had 85% efficiency in preventing severe disease in the initial trials (similar to most other vaccines) and this figure increased to nearly 100% once mass roll out had started.

I long suspected efficacy was the true motive in offering Pfizer/Moderna to under 40s. I remember posting about it. The mRNA vaccines have rare side effects too.

A few days ago the figures were, out of 117 Delta deaths, 50 were double jabbed. Was it AZ?

I'm in my 30s and won't get my second jab till mid August, despite having worked in a school the whole time. We could get into major tangles if we start nit picking- perhaps some would say parents of young children should be prioritised so they don't lose a parent, others could say single people with no one to help them through an illness etc etc. All nonsense of course.

In the end I'm happy enough to wait, this isn't a competition as to who is worst off, it's rubbish for everyone!

Happy There's a reason why many other countries prioritised from 40 or 45. That's when the risks increase. Not 50.

@tealightsandd Maybe so, but others could also argue greater risk than age, e.g jobs that cannot be done from home. I'm pretty low down on the pile, its possible I'll soon be allowed to work in a school, but not visit a restaurant. Feeling sorry for ourselves is no good, I think actually under 25s have had the worst deal in all this.