Anti-lockdowners pretending to care about kids again

[noblegiraffe]

So it's all over the news about how nearly 400,000 kids are having to isolate because of covid cases in schools. Complaints about how disruptive to education it is and to the mental health of the children involved. This disruptive isolation must end as soon as possible.

Contrast to last November when nearly a million kids were self-isolating in a week. Do you remember the headlines, discussions and outrage about that?

No, of course you don't. Because back then, the solution to so many kids isolating was to put more mitigation measures in schools and attempt to stop so many kids catching it.

Now they can argue that it doesn't matter if all kids catch it, they're all over the 'terrible' isolation figures which are less than half of those last year.

I'm SO done with people only caring about kids and education when they think that they can use them for their own benefit.

If these loud voices could be used to talk about things like the cuts to pupil premium, the pitiful covid catch-up funding, the critical shortage of teachers, the unsafe state of schools, the massive waiting lists for CAMHS and SEN services, then maybe I'd believe them when they claim to care about children.

There’s such a disproportionate fear of Covid for children (and themselves) on here. A school isn’t ‘unsafe’ if a child gets a virus that will most likely be mild for them.

You have to accept this and move on now. Schools closed to protect the wider community and mainly the vulnerable. We have effective vaccines and 87% of the adult population have antibodies.

Schools need to drop all these ‘mitigations’ now.

@ChloeDecker no I don’t agree with you. Schools are safe in my eyes right now. I don’t worry about my children in school and I won’t with zero mitigations. I’d worry far more about isolating a healthy child in their home with no exercise or socialising for multiple periods of ten days.

It all needs to stop.

@Delatron

Absolutely. All mitigations must go. Hopefully the ridiculous ones too like staggered start times which does absolutely nothing in reducing infection levels. Just a ridiculous tick box to keep the mitigation brigade happier.

Yep. And in my school they’re only allowed to play on one quarter of the field or something equally ridiculous. And they’re not allowed to play football. Can’t wait till they do away with all ‘mitigations’

*happy

Couldn’t agree more. The government are not going to pay for ventilation either. They will not even pay for pencils. We as parents know that.

Do you have the same stance on free school meals too? Should we not bother campaigning for that either?

@ChloeDecker

So now you’re blaming parents for the governments woeful under funding of schools? Is this the true agenda here? Being as my children are in receipt of free school meals then I would happily campaign for that, however as a family who have been pushed into poverty by the effects of this pandemic, I’m a little bit low in energy to start taking on tories right now. I also have the self awareness to know that’s above my remit.

I know the best way to conserve my energy thank you very much, but your response was interesting .

[quote Chillychangchoo]@Delatron

Couldn’t agree more. The government are not going to pay for ventilation either. They will not even pay for pencils. We as parents know that.

We have to accept it.

They need to go to school in exactly the same way as 2019, and quickly. We don’t need to pretend the pandemic never happened, it did but we now have an effective vaccination programme to enable life to now return to normal.

Some people are going to hugely struggle with this mindset with their incessant stamping of feet and refusal to accept it’s time to move on.[/quote]
They will get away with what they think the public will accept, yes.

But a) we don't have to accept it. They will respond to public concern (if it isn't too difficult or expensive).

and b) using masks costs almost nothing.

No I’m not. I’m commenting on your personal stance of telling people not to bother or care or want something that will benefit others (by the way, I am a parent too )

[quote Chillychangchoo]@Delatron

Couldn’t agree more. The government are not going to pay for ventilation either. They will not even pay for pencils. We as parents know that.

We have to accept it.

They need to go to school in exactly the same way as 2019, and quickly. We don’t need to pretend the pandemic never happened, it did but we now have an effective vaccination programme to enable life to now return to normal.

Some people are going to hugely struggle with this mindset with their incessant stamping of feet and refusal to accept it’s time to move on.[/quote]
kids aren't vaccinated

vaccinations (it looks like) require boosters

vaccines are great but planning and thought are still needed

you have a blinkered mindset here

normal is relative

[quote Chillychangchoo]@ChloeDecker

So now you’re blaming parents for the governments woeful under funding of schools? Is this the true agenda here? Being as my children are in receipt of free school meals then I would happily campaign for that, however as a family who have been pushed into poverty by the effects of this pandemic, I’m a little bit low in energy to start taking on tories right now. I also have the self awareness to know that’s above my remit.

I know the best way to conserve my energy thank you very much, but your response was interesting .[/quote]
Well, there is an element of responsibility in voting - someone presumably voted this bunch in -but that's another issue

No kids aren’t vaccinated because they don’t need to be!

Yes boosters will happen, great. Just like we do for flu. Isn’t science wonderful...

What is the issue here? Why does all of that mean we can’t drop the ‘mitigations’?

I think some on here really need to start preparing themselves for the 19th July.

@herecomesthsun

Of course there’s an element of responsibility. I didn’t vote them in, so unfortunately have to accept the lack of funding in education. Starting to realise that’s the undercurrent of the thread though. Must be our fault if we “accept it”.

You’re extremely blinkered yourself and probably never going to be happy.

Boosters absolutely will happen - tick
Kids don’t need to be vaccinated - tick

So what’s your point?

Normal isn’t relative when it comes to these mitigations I can assure you. They are absolutely not normal.

@Delatron

No kids aren’t vaccinated because they don’t need to be!

Yes boosters will happen, great. Just like we do for flu. Isn’t science wonderful...

What is the issue here? Why does all of that mean we can’t drop the ‘mitigations’?

I think some on here really need to start preparing themselves for the 19th July.

I think you'll be in for a surprise come the autumn if you think this is Le Fin.

I suspect it will be more complicated than that.

I mean, it would be great if it all went away over the summer.

However, the advice from the BMA is that we need mitigations to continue past the 19th and I'm inclined to listen to them.

[quote Chillychangchoo]@herecomesthsun

Of course there’s an element of responsibility. I didn’t vote them in, so unfortunately have to accept the lack of funding in education. Starting to realise that’s the undercurrent of the thread though. Must be our fault if we “accept it”.

You’re extremely blinkered yourself and probably never going to be happy.

Boosters absolutely will happen - tick
Kids don’t need to be vaccinated - tick

So what’s your point?

Normal isn’t relative when it comes to these mitigations I can assure you. They are absolutely not normal.[/quote]
things are more normal than they were in the middle of January.

I don't know how close we will get to how things were in 2019.

I think we will get a better resolution - and together be happier - if we keep an open mind about the best way forward.

Kids apparently need to be vaccinated in the US and Israel so I will be watching what happens there. Chris Whitty, who is usually right, thinks there may be benefits for them in being vaccinated in terms of continuity of education and that may be true.

Better accept that this is at least a possibility.

@herecomesthsun

I don’t need to “accept” anything. I would happily vaccinate mine if and when that time comes.

If anyone here is struggling with a lack of acceptance it’s you.

I guess after that point there will always be “vaccine escape mitigations” to keep you busy.

I don’t expect it to be ‘Le fin’ I expect we will have moved on to the ‘living with Covid’ phase.

I’m worried about Autumn/winter but not because of Covid but I think we’ll see a bad winter of other respiratory illnesses. I don’t think that means we will have to have masks or any other measures in schools though.

As a parent and NHS worker the situation has got completely out of hand if you ask me
I get "protecting children" but closing entire bubbles is just ridiculous and quite frankly needs sorting
We've had people having to take 7-10 days unpaid leave round here because their child MIGHT have come into contact with another child
Because some local schools don't break the bubbles down enough and in reception year groups "team teach"

It's been awful

Then they wonder a year on why we are still having problems!!

@Delatron

And here’s hoping “living with covid” means living exactly like we have lived with flu.

No they’re not the same however logically it’s the closest infectious disease we can compare it too. (In the likeness of vaccines and boosters etc).

@omgthepain

My NHS friends have said similar, been a fucking nightmare this week. Clinics cancelled left, right and centre. I’m front line social care and we are incredibly thin on the ground. A lot of my colleagues are young women with kids at school. Or not at school rather.

@Chillychangchoo
Yes all services will and are being interrupted again - it's extremely annoying and the trust I work for now have a "gold command team" of deployed people working on a plan of action for the anticipated winter 2021 next lockdown/ pandemic 😷 which is extremely depressing!

@Chillychangchoo

I guess after that point there will always be “vaccine escape mitigations” to keep you busy.

? re vaccine escape mitigations

Ok so we have quite a lot of agreement

We think vaccinations for children might be needed

We think we will be "living with covid" so we won't be back quite to 2019

We probably agree that some changes in schools would be desirable but the Government are unlikely to provide the money to support this (and might not be able to organise it very well).

Let's hope it goes well!

[quote omgthepain]@Chillychangchoo
Yes all services will and are being interrupted again - it's extremely annoying and the trust I work for now have a "gold command team" of deployed people working on a plan of action for the anticipated winter 2021 next lockdown/ pandemic 😷 which is extremely depressing![/quote]
Very good that the planning is happening though

I'm actually not stupid, believe it or not, and I have never really understood what noble expects from posters on Mumsnet.

My feeling always was that she wanted parents to pull their children out of schools so they closed due to parent pressure rather than teacher / union pressure. The mitigations that were talked about were never going to happen, so the only thing left was to close schools.