Finally there’s some sensible news re school isolations

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Refreshing to see a headteacher and doctor on bbc breakfast saying we need to only isolate the dc with covid. Feeling encouraged.

@HiHoSylvie

It isn't only undertaken by CEV children and their parents. Schools have been closed for a huge chunk of my year 1 DC's primary education. I understand your irritation, but it seems as if you are focussed on the wrong target.

Children are all entitled to an education. There are better ways of achieving this than isolating. You can make your decisions about how it should be on here, as you have been, but you need the people in charge to listen to your. Arguing with parents of children who aren't vulnerable is unfair. All children are entitled to their education. If yours isn't able to access it, that's terrible. Neither has mine been. Also terrible.

Your child has been able to access their education though in line with government restrictions. Yes they had the lockdowns which closed schools and the periods of isolation, but when school is open your child can attend? Many CEV children cannot attend school right now even when they are open so therefore aren't receiving anywhere close to what the non CEV children are. Apart from the CEV, no other child has lost out on more than an entire year of school?

No one is denying it has been incredibly disruptive to all children but to then remove isolation and allow it to spread amongst schools but ignore the fact that this more than certainly removes the ability to receive an education to over 50,000 children in the UK and then their siblings ontop of that figure just isn't right. Schools need to be safe and sustainable for ALL children.

@HiHoSylvie

We have had no bubble closures in our Primary since schools returned in April thankfully

Well then it's easy for you to say "keep isolating your child isn't missing out like mine is". Not true. Mine has missed a huge chunk of her education to date. People like bojo have no idea how crucial it is for children to be educated as he basically had his success guaranteed due to the family he was born into. It's terrible for young people now. It will get worse as the economy is fucked now. My children's children will be paying for lockdown one.

My children were not in school from March 2020-End of April 2021!

In total in 16 months they have only been in school for 9 weeks!

So yes I do know what it is like to miss a 'huge chunk' of education.

Schools need to be safe and sustainable for ALL children.

Yes, exactly. So stop arguing with me. I've said I support mitigations such as masks in schools (outside the classroom), open windows, isolating one class when there is a known CEV child in that class and there is a positive case or covid, I support testing to get out of isolation. I wrote to my Tory twat MP to support mitigations in schools and basically got told to fuck off. I wrote to my school to say I supported teachers walking out of school due to no safety measures or socials distancing in schools.

If I was on charge yada yada. But I'm not. So save your ire for the ones who are.

So yes I do know what it is like to miss a 'huge chunk' of education.

I know I've made a lot of typos (on my shit phone), but seriously, are you reading my posts? Did I say you didn't know what it was like to have your DC miss a lot of school? No. I said you were very quick to take the "your DCs aren't missing out" line. As you say "ALL children" need to be able to go to school. Including mine. So I'm sure you appreciate the sentiment that isolations where they don't appear to be the best way of mitigating between preventing spread and also ensuring fairness for all children to be able to access their education, are something which may need to change.

@HiHoSylvie

Schools need to be safe and sustainable for ALL children.

Yes, exactly. So stop arguing with me. I've said I support mitigations such as masks in schools (outside the classroom), open windows, isolating one class when there is a known CEV child in that class and there is a positive case or covid, I support testing to get out of isolation. I wrote to my Tory twat MP to support mitigations in schools and basically got told to fuck off. I wrote to my school to say I supported teachers walking out of school due to no safety measures or socials distancing in schools.

If I was on charge yada yada. But I'm not. So save your ire for the ones who are.

I don't really see why you are disagreeing with me then, given that these are the exact same mitigations which I have agreed that should be in schools. You support mitigations in terms of testing and isolating if there is a CEV child in the class, which is exactly what I would support myself, but then you also argue that it isn't right to put children through the trauma of the testing?

@HiHoSylvie

So yes I do know what it is like to miss a 'huge chunk' of education.

I know I've made a lot of typos (on my shit phone), but seriously, are you reading my posts? Did I say you didn't know what it was like to have your DC miss a lot of school? No. I said you were very quick to take the "your DCs aren't missing out" line. As you say "ALL children" need to be able to go to school. Including mine. So I'm sure you appreciate the sentiment that isolations where they don't appear to be the best way of mitigating between preventing spread and also ensuring fairness for all children to be able to access their education, are something which may need to change.

But if they change it either becomes more unsafe and therefore no access to education for the CEV or the children in the classes with the CEV children have to test or isolate which means that many children may still be missing out on education, but at that point it is likely that it won't be your child, unless of course they have a CEV child in their class.

So if your children happened to be those who needed to isolate as a result of a positive case in their immediate class and a CEV child within that class, I would presume you still would not be happy with the testing/isolation requirement?

So if your children happened to be those who needed to isolate as a result of a positive case in their immediate class and a CEV child within that class, I would presume you still would not be happy with the testing/isolation requirement?

Seriously am I speaking the same fucking language as you? Yes of course I'd be happy with it. Jesus Christ.

@HiHoSylvie

So if your children happened to be those who needed to isolate as a result of a positive case in their immediate class and a CEV child within that class, I would presume you still would not be happy with the testing/isolation requirement?

Seriously am I speaking the same fucking language as you? Yes of course I'd be happy with it. Jesus Christ.

Sorry, It would seem I have mis read your posts, as it seems I am actually on the same page as you.

DC is currently isolating on the basis of a positive LFT in his class. I understand the child is getting a PCR.

Is this correct? I thought only the positive person and the family of that person had to isolate until the PCR was back.

Or is school being sensible, just in case? What's the official guidance?

@WonderfulSave

DC is currently isolating on the basis of a positive LFT in his class. I understand the child is getting a PCR.

Is this correct? I thought only the positive person and the family of that person had to isolate until the PCR was back.

Or is school being sensible, just in case? What's the official guidance?

This one is really a balance of risks.

On the one hand, in a time of high rising cases in the relevant age group, the ratio of 'true' to 'false' positives on LFT will be higher. False positives are, to a first approximation, a fixed percentage of tests taken. This percentage is large compared with true positives when case rates are very low, but much less significant when numbers of true positives and true cases are higher.

Thus at the moment, using LFT as 'a warning that we may have a case in school' and isolating from this point is sensible, as isolating rapidly brings the chance of secondary transmission (from those who the first case has infected on to a further group of pupils) down and thus hopefully limits the size and spread of the outbreak.

However, when case rates are very low, the risk that the LFT is falsely positive becomes higher and the damage to children's education of repeated 1 or 2 day isolation is not worth it.

I think the 'official' guidance is still 'isolate from positive PCR', but with the huge growth in cases in the 10-19 age groups, I think isolating from the positive LFT (false positives are anyway HUGELY fewer than false negatives) is a sensible way to try to keep outbreaks under control while many school staff are still only partially vaccinated.

Everyone I know who’s kids are out of school are still going out and about as usual, and also mixing. If mine have to stay off school then I will not be isolating them. They can fuck off!!! Enough is enough.

You are the problem.

On CEV children, I have a CEV three year old. There’s obviously no vaccination in sight for him, and his surgeon has determined that it isn’t safe enough for him to start preschool in September unless things change.

I would like to see vaccine trials for children where the benefit greatly outweighs the risk. My DC would almost certainly be hospitalised based on the experiences of other DC with his condition who have caught Covid-19.

There has to be a plan for CEV children, even those who are very young like mine. It’s something I am quite angry about, especially when people throw around ‘but all the vulnerable are vaccinated’.

@Chillychangchoo

Everyone I know who’s kids are out of school are still going out and about as usual, and also mixing. If mine have to stay off school then I will not be isolating them. They can fuck off!!! Enough is enough.

How sensible 🙄

@Chillychangchoo

Everyone I know who’s kids are out of school are still going out and about as usual, and also mixing. If mine have to stay off school then I will not be isolating them. They can fuck off!!! Enough is enough.

You seem nice.

@WonderfulSave

DC is currently isolating on the basis of a positive LFT in his class. I understand the child is getting a PCR.

Is this correct? I thought only the positive person and the family of that person had to isolate until the PCR was back.

Or is school being sensible, just in case? What's the official guidance?

At my DC's school, close contacts isolate after a positive lateral flow test. Then are released from isolation if the PCR comes back negative (it didn't in our case).

@Useruseruserusee

On CEV children, I have a CEV three year old. There’s obviously no vaccination in sight for him, and his surgeon has determined that it isn’t safe enough for him to start preschool in September unless things change.

I would like to see vaccine trials for children where the benefit greatly outweighs the risk. My DC would almost certainly be hospitalised based on the experiences of other DC with his condition who have caught Covid-19.

There has to be a plan for CEV children, even those who are very young like mine. It’s something I am quite angry about, especially when people throw around ‘but all the vulnerable are vaccinated’.

Yes agree. I hope a vaccine can be approved for youngsters like the flu one is. For those families who feel it is needed like yours.