Delta+ New variant of concern

[Thewiseoneincognito]

News outlets starting to report on a cluster of cases of a new version of the original Delta variant. Now called the Delta Plus and listed as a variant of concern. From Sky News...

India declares new 'Delta plus' variant of concern

The country has declared that a new variant, identified locally as "Delta plus", is one of concern.

Two dozen cases have been detected in three states, including the state of Maharashtra, federal health secretary Rajesh Bhushan told a news conference.

The ministry said Delta plus showed increased transmissibility, and it has told states to up their testing efforts.

The original Delta variant was first discovered in India and has managed to spread to the UK, now making up 99% of new confirmed cases.

@BonnieDundee

..we can only hope that the government finally takes proactive preventative measures, to suppress and contain...to prevent the virus mutating into a potentially more dangerous, possibly vaccine resistant strain. As viruses can do... if you let them.

For this approach the UK would need full, perfect compliance from 68million people. Increased tracking, increased tracing, increased digital identification and harsher punishments.

Good luck with perfect compliance when people see the exemptions for rich people officials and sponsors to come to the Euros and the likes of Dominic Cummings, Robert Jenrick, Stanley Johnson,.most of the RF, Neil Ferguson etc who were breaking the rules early on while everyone was still complying. Are the harsher punishments going to apply to them too or will they have exemptions from that too?

If those people jumped off a cliff, would you do too?

If hospitals fill up and/more dangerous strains mutate, who do you think suffers? The likes of them, or the everyday members of public?

[quote Tealightsandd]It’s all over news today that amber holidays will be announced Monday

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel[/quote]
Who wants to let in high risk Brits?

We let it freely spread, we become the high risk country that others restrict entry from.

Hardly any countries are following merkel and eu rules regarding travel

Majority like Spain and Greece will welcome us open arms since they can’t afford not to

God tealighgs what are you gonna do when this is all over

You must be so draining to be around in real life

There’s nothing but positivity in news and statements released today

Interesting. I find head in sand let the bodies pile up gamble with the nation's long term health (including children) via Long Covid, much more draining than taking positive proactive action.

Then again, in real life I'm off enjoying 'freedom', eating out etc. Whilst other people are shuffling down a busy street holding up badly drawn placards and vandalising public transport.

Each to their own.

Re taking advantage of desperate financial circumstances. Some like Spain and Greece might feel forced to pretended to welcome us. But rest assured it will be through gritted teeth. No one will be truly welcoming high risk Brits. We most certainly won't be genuinely welcome.

Tell that to the millions who rely on our income

They’re crying out for us!

As for long covid - honestly most people don’t give a shit about long covid

Theres bigger issues given the main symptoms for most is tiredness

Peoples lives are being ruined

If half million people get long covid - most of which fixes itself within 6 months by the way - I’m good with that as millions will suffer more if these restrictions continue

Honestly you and a few other posters on here are relentless

It’s been made perfectly clear that all the news is positive

That the new variant delta+ is of no concern as been in uk for months already

Yet here you and others are being so negative

I’m guessing you don’t want to return to work?

Highest daily case count since early February is not really “positive news”

its been explained that the highest rate is due to massive testing drive by scotland

truth is there are almost 2000 hospitals in uk with 1500 patients total - so 1/4 don't have a patient with covid and 3/4 have only 1!!!

Current hospitalisations are 1/30 of march. The rate of increase is reducing

Sorry but you're doom doesn't reflect the data

Go on Gov.uk

GO on news

Listen to statements

All say its all but over

You're making a fool of yourself now. And insulting the hundreds of thousands of Long Covid sufferers.

You may not give a shit about them but luckily the NHS does.

The NHS doesn't set up specialist treatment centres (including 15 paediatric clinics for children) for a bit of tiredness.

Long Covid is known to cause various different issues, including for some, heart, lung, kidney, or brain damage, diabetes, and hearing loss.

@Watapalava As for long covid - honestly most people don’t give a shit about long covid.

Wow, that’s vile and I’m cringing at your immaturity. You’re clearly triggered, maybe step away from the coronavirus threads for a while.

"its been explained that the highest rate is due to massive testing drive by scotland"

If that's the case then it's been ^wrongly" explained.

The number of positives today is up 40% whereas the number of tests is up only 7.4%. It's a real increase, and not an artefact of testing.

And the figures have shown sustained real increases every day for at least a fortnight. This is concerning, especially as number of hospital admissions is now showing a sustained rise. The numbers are small at present, but the nature of exponential growth means they won't stay that way of it is left unchecked.

But set against that the reported level of the population with antibodies, which means it might mean a different later trajectory

@Tealightsandd

Interesting. I find head in sand let the bodies pile up gamble with the nation's long term health (including children) via Long Covid, much more draining than taking positive proactive action.

Then again, in real life I'm off enjoying 'freedom', eating out etc. Whilst other people are shuffling down a busy street holding up badly drawn placards and vandalising public transport.

Each to their own.

“ find head in sand let the bodies pile up gamble with the nation's long term health (including children) via Long Covid,”

So as a Spanish person I’ve not seen this in the last 18 months. Yet I’m gonna see it now when people are vaccinated ? and it’s because the damm British ??

Watpalava is right it is an incredibly difficult choice for them the implications of letting us in versus not. Which is why I suspect it will be vaccinated and under 16 and testing for the rest

For Germany it is though is it - because the tourism to there is I suspect a lot less. So they can do the token bit of closing to us (and it wont do any good, its there already).

It has always been a very difficult balancing act and you have to balance the NHS and long covid against the risks of not opening and doing this.

There is no easy right way out of this, no black and white answer and much as it would be nice to see. But only a very grey muddy path

It is everywhere - the Delta variant and Delta+ we are just the first ship to sail with it.

And Merkel is just playing politics here rather than any massive statement on health

If those people jumped off a cliff, would you do too?

If hospitals fill up and/more dangerous strains mutate, who do you think suffers? The likes of them, or the everyday members of public?

No I wouldn't jump off a cliff if those.people did but am I hell being treated as a lesser being than them. Neil Ferguson, for all his "this is deadly" rhetoric, clearly didn't think it was that deadly for him.

Just following the experts' example though I am not sneaking around for any illicit shagging

What positive proactive action can I take against a variant in Maharashtra? I opened the thread because I was interested to find out what the variant was, and what was known about it. But having found that limited information out, there is actually nothing to discuss. It doesn't change anything about my life nor make me assess my risks any differently. I'm not a doctor nor do I have any control over border policy. So what is there to talk about? It's not burying my head in the sand - it's just realising nothing changes for me.

@Ontopofthesunset

What positive proactive action can I take against a variant in Maharashtra? I opened the thread because I was interested to find out what the variant was, and what was known about it. But having found that limited information out, there is actually nothing to discuss. It doesn't change anything about my life nor make me assess my risks any differently. I'm not a doctor nor do I have any control over border policy. So what is there to talk about? It's not burying my head in the sand - it's just realising nothing changes for me.

But it’s not only in Maharashtra, we have sequenced it here in the UK, that’s the problem. There are genuine concerns about how this variant may be more vaccine resistant than the Delta.

As always, just be as cautious as you can. I’m sure if it becomes an issue here we will hear more about it.

Well you were interested enough to comment.

But it’s not only in Maharashtra, we have sequenced it here in the UK, that’s the problem.

Oh, shit. Already.

That the new variant delta+ is of no concern as been in uk for months already

Honestly, Watapalava, with all your puffery on this thread, I'd think you've at least read the OP and linked source properly.

@Ontopofthesunset

What positive proactive action can I take against a variant in Maharashtra? I opened the thread because I was interested to find out what the variant was, and what was known about it. But having found that limited information out, there is actually nothing to discuss. It doesn't change anything about my life nor make me assess my risks any differently. I'm not a doctor nor do I have any control over border policy. So what is there to talk about? It's not burying my head in the sand - it's just realising nothing changes for me.

Get the vaccination. That's all you need to do. twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1407748102501683202?s=20. Author is a molecular biologist who helped develop the vaccines and keeps an expert eye on their efficacy

Well, exactly. I've had Covid and both vaccinations, and the reason I commented was not on the variant per se but on the argument that 'not wanting to discuss it' was denying the truth and burying one's head in the sand. But it is bootless to attempt to reason people out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into.

@Sparklingbrook

We need to split the Coronavirus topic in two IMO. let the 'oh no we're all doomed' lot get on with enjoying it and having a good old wallow.

Three ,as in the cautious but optimistic!🤣

We need to split the Coronavirus topic in two IMO. let the 'oh no we're all doomed' lot get on with enjoying it and having a good old wallow

I'm in

@JaceLancs

Loving the PPE cat! On more serious note though we should be just as worried about other non Corona viruses mutating - whilst we’ve all been hibernating/isolating/quarantining wearing masks WFH social distancing etc etc our natural immunity to other things has been affected I’ve been ill recently with a non Covid virus - of a degree that I’ve not experienced before - spread through family, friends and colleagues like a wild fire - despite all the Covid measures I’m just as concerned about this aspect as another new variant

Agree with you on both accounts @JaceLancs
Also loving the PPE cat, but have wondered myself about losing general immunity . There was a lot of stuff at the beginning of Covid about viral load, but I'm wondering the opposite as we see so many stories of people who have worked public faxing throughout and not caught anything.

I got a cold a few months back and given I WFH, had worn a mask when required in public places and none of my close contacts had a cold I was a bit wary of how I'd picked it up.