Delta+ New variant of concern

[Thewiseoneincognito]

News outlets starting to report on a cluster of cases of a new version of the original Delta variant. Now called the Delta Plus and listed as a variant of concern. From Sky News...

India declares new 'Delta plus' variant of concern

The country has declared that a new variant, identified locally as "Delta plus", is one of concern.

Two dozen cases have been detected in three states, including the state of Maharashtra, federal health secretary Rajesh Bhushan told a news conference.

The ministry said Delta plus showed increased transmissibility, and it has told states to up their testing efforts.

The original Delta variant was first discovered in India and has managed to spread to the UK, now making up 99% of new confirmed cases.

@MercyBooth

@Kendodd the full data isnt there yet due to inquest backlogs

Right, so you have zero data to prove your 'suicides through the roof' claim (in fact available data shows no increase) but are happy to make it on social media?
You do know there's a link between reporting of suicide and self harm and an increase cases? Don't you think you should be a little more responsible posting about such things?

Maybe read the linked BBC article?

Sorry - that was to @LivinLaVidaLoki

[quote LivinLaVidaLoki]@TheClaws
If it is the Nepal variant its been in the UK since early June. 23 cases on the 7th June.[/quote]
It's only in certain parts of India, from what I can gather. Maharashtra, Kerala, and Madhya Pradesh.

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Horrible Histories in 50 years time is going to have a fantastic song on Covid variants. We need to give them some rhymes.

In the meantime we are creating a perfect storm of lack of build up to flu season, huge increases in mental health problems, insane waiting lists to access NHS and children not being properly educated due to repeated lockdowns and isolations. Add to this the fact that inequality has both deepened and increased and no resources to sort anything as we've borrowed so much as a nation to afford lockdown and restrictions.

We can't afford to carry on with this. Not on an individual, societal or population level. We've become obsessed with a single disease that we are almost all at least partially vaccinated against. The link between hospitalisation and disease has ended. It's over.

@Kendodd it wasnt me who said suicides were through the roof. I was replying to what you said to another poster who said that. But you knew that didnt you

Do you think they called it Delta+ to make it sound more scary? Like ‘Delta on steroids’.
In the grand scheme of things though, who really gives a shit anymore?

Nobody gives a shit anymore.

The government are crowding 60,000 people in to Wembley very soon. They don’t give a shit.

We can only hope the media stop reporting on all the many variants that will be inevitable. It’s what viruses do. Why is it even news?

@Mathshelpme

Do you think they called it Delta+ to make it sound more scary? Like ‘Delta on steroids’. In the grand scheme of things though, who really gives a shit anymore?

If this variant was actually scary there's no way the 'important' people would be out and about. They'd be safely in their mansions leaving us disposable bodies to deal with it.

Delta Plus sounds less scary to me than Epsilon would. Because it suggests it's still pretty close to original Delta, so fewer implications for the vaccine holding up.

A new variant that was not close kin to one we are already coping with would be concerning.

@Kendodd

New variants will at some point be good news surely?

I remember a medic friend explained to me years ago how viruses usually get weaker. The stronger, deadlier strains that make people very sick or kill them don't get to spread as widely as the host isn't moving around. The weaker strains leave their host well enough to be out and about meeting lots of people and spreading the virus.
I hope it's true and covid downgrades itself at some point.

Won’t happen with Covid sadly. It infects effectively during the pre-symptomatic phase so it wouldn’t matter to it if you dropped dead immediately after getting symptoms. Very different from Ebola etc. So there is no pressure on Covid to mutate into something milder.

I imagine the virus is unlikely to get weaker @SoSadAboutMyDad

What will happen if this continues at this very virulent rate - forever ...?

Nobody gives a shit anymore.

In the UK, maybe (actually not true, plenty of sensible people still around).

Meanwhile the rest of the world continues to ramp up precautions against British virus exports.

Angela Merkel is encouraging other European countries to follow Germany's lead, in restricting entry from high risk countries like the UK.

She is a scientist. And it shows. Sensible rational border control.

We can only hope the media stop reporting on all the many variants

Move to North Korea, if you want gagged media.

In the rational world (away from censoring the truth). Let's change the end of Delatron's sentence to the more sensible....

...we can only hope that the government finally takes proactive preventative measures, to suppress and contain...to prevent the virus mutating into a potentially more dangerous, possibly vaccine resistant strain. As viruses can do... if you let them .

How is the OP's post doom-mongering? She's just highlighted a paragraph from Sky news with no personal comments on it. I find it interesting to hear about the new variants and it would be good to see somewhere they could be discussed in an objective manner without the thread being derailed each time. It seems very childish.

Ok I’ve changed my mind, it’s obvious now that restrictions won’t be lifting on July 19th!

You don't say.

...we can only hope that the government finally takes proactive preventative measures, to suppress and contain...to prevent the virus mutating into a potentially more dangerous, possibly vaccine resistant strain. As viruses can do... if you let them.

For this approach the UK would need full, perfect compliance from 68million people. Increased tracking, increased tracing, increased digital identification and harsher punishments.

And complete reforms of our economy, industries, business policies, international trade, NHS, Social Care, internet use, social lives/leisure activities etc etc 😕

Or we just start with border control (instead of waiting for other countries to do it for us, when we become the high risk country they need to restrict entry from).

It doesn't have to be absolute compliance (which actually, contrary to the impression given by a vocal few on MN, has generally been high).

Reasonable efforts - like most other places - is a good start.

We spent billions on test and trace. So let's get it working properly - get our money's worth.

Simple measures like not getting rid of masks in schools just when cases are rising.

It all adds up. Makes a difference.

And complete reforms of our economy, industries, business policies, international trade, NHS, Social Care, internet use, social lives/leisure activities etc etc 😕

Because all this hasn't been significantly impacted by failed containment...

The countries who have or are currently working on suppress and contain all have much healthier economics than the places where it's been allowed to spread freely. For obvious reasons. Basic common sense. Healthy society = healthy economy.

Long Covid, particularly if we allow things to escalate with uncontained Covid (and new mutations) is going to be not only an individual suffering for many, but also societal and financial burden for the next few years (possibly beyond).

My god what the hell is wrong with some of you people

Seriously get a life

It’s all over news today that amber holidays will be announced Monday

That Cases don’t matter

That no one is worried

Even the scientists are saying they wouldn’t fret if we opened up early!

The narrative has changed hugely today

Yet you doom gloom here can’t help yourselves

You need help. Restrictions are 100% ending in July it’s been made abundently clear

..we can only hope that the government finally takes proactive preventative measures, to suppress and contain...to prevent the virus mutating into a potentially more dangerous, possibly vaccine resistant strain. As viruses can do... if you let them.

For this approach the UK would need full, perfect compliance from 68million people. Increased tracking, increased tracing, increased digital identification and harsher punishments.

Good luck with perfect compliance when people see the exemptions for rich people officials and sponsors to come to the Euros and the likes of Dominic Cummings, Robert Jenrick, Stanley Johnson,.most of the RF, Neil Ferguson etc who were breaking the rules early on while everyone was still complying. Are the harsher punishments going to apply to them too or will they have exemptions from that too?

I think there's some use for thread like this, so people who are interested can find out the facts if they want to. What it doesn't need is people piling up and derailing the genuine discussion. No one need to comment on the thread if they are not interested.

It’s all over news today that amber holidays will be announced Monday

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/all-uk-arrivals-in-eu-should-be-quarantined-says-angela-merkel