All this has to stop. We can’t live like this!

[SweetsMum3]

We need to learn to live with covid like we do with all other viruses, illnesses and diseases. The elderly and high risk are vaccinated… that was the goal, remember?! Like Hancock said, we will cry freedom when the over 70s are vaccinated!

There is no reason for mass testing when the young and healthy get covid mildly. My child is in tears yet again because she isn’t allowed to go to school for 10 days. A few students in her year group tested positive and all students are forced to be locked in their homes… again.

Are the sick?! No. Half have no symptoms. The others have a slight fever and feel a little tired.

This isn’t fair. This isn’t healthy. This isn’t sane. This is harmful and destructive to children. An entire generation has been betrayed. For what exactly? Over a virus which does not affect them. Over fear. Over people being immensely risk-averse. Over loss of control and people can’t take it.

It is time we live our lives and get back to normal before it’s too late. If our children hold us accountable and never forgive us, I will completely understand. We have not stood-up for them. Instead, we cowered in fear not giving a hoot about the collateral damage all these restrictions have caused. Shame on us.

So are 'the people' going to send their children to school if they have been sent home to isolate ?

Unfortunately not a choice. But rules are no exercise, not allowed out of the house and garden - without symptoms and negative PCR

Have you done it lately out of interest?

Eventually, there will be a mutation that is just as dangerous to young people as it is to older ones, and probably more lethal to everyone, and POSSIBLY vaccine resistant.

Right. Did you sign up to covid's mailing list to get this information?

We put huge restrictions on normal life in place because the health service is in imminent danger of being overwhelmed. We don't keep them in place indefinitely to protect us against the possibility of some future variant that does not yet exist. Otherwise we'd never leave lockdown again out of fear of pandemic flu.

My children aren’t the “least effected” by Covid just because they are unlikely to be the ones in hospital. Surely losing your grandparents impacts children???

@MrsBumbleforth

I agree re the concept of selfishness and the highest degree of suffering being born by those least affected by the illness. It is selfish to sacrifice the mental and physical well-being of children, especially those in key developmental periods like infancy and puberty who may be vulnerable to carrying effects for rest of their lives, to attempt to extend the lives of a small number of the infirm and elderly by perhaps a few more years. And children are suffering terribly from the 'new normals' especially those from disadvantaged backgrounds living in poverty.

Because millions are shielded with furlough and the middle classes have enjoyed working from home and avoiding their daily commute into the city.

That's not to say they want this to go on and don't want it to end, but it leaves them relatively unaffected.

I don’t know wtf Yougov ask!! I don’t care either. But they must ask soneone!

How many daily Covid deaths is deemed the acceptable cost of "living with this virus". Serious question ?.

[quote Teateaandmoretea]@Mamanyt well quite.

But locking down makes us more vulnerable to these new strains and keeps it going.[/quote]
And there's the rub...if everyone world-wide was locked down at the same time, there would be no more new strains...or they would die out before they could spread. Won't happen. Can you imagine trying to get every leader of every country to agree and then to coordinate it? And then to get their citizens to fully comply? The mind boggles. But it would work.

but 99% of us also think that the extension was not such a good idea and will be beyond angry if it gets extended again

I think the government must know the risks of losing the public altogether if it gets extended again. You can imagine the protests in London next week being massive already.

There's enough opium for the masses this month with the Euros on to keep the men sedated with football. Wimbledon due to start as well with crowds allowed for that.

They'll know they need to open up next month.

@5zeds

My children aren’t the “least effected” by Covid just because they are unlikely to be the ones in hospital. Surely losing your grandparents impacts children???

Not the children of some posting here it seems...

Most children however. Yes you're absolutely right. And it's not just grandparents they're at risk of losing. Parents, aunts and uncles, cousins, siblings.

Bereavement hits children hard.

'I agree re the concept of selfishness and the highest degree of suffering being born by those least affected by the illness. It is selfish to sacrifice the mental and physical well-being of children, especially those in key developmental periods like infancy and puberty who may be vulnerable to carrying effects for rest of their lives, to attempt to extend the lives of a small number of the infirm and elderly by perhaps a few more years. And children are suffering terribly from the 'new normals' especially those from disadvantaged backgrounds living in poverty.'

It's not just the old and infirm at risk (and I hope, when you're old and infirm, people will treat you with more compassion), it's the younger cev (vaccines might not be effective for some cev) who would normally have plenty of years left. It's selfish to behave in a way that may make children lose a parent - and oh, what an effect bereavement has on a child's mental health!

Totally agree OP. 100%

@Pyewackect

How many daily Covid deaths is deemed the acceptable cost of "living with this virus". Serious question ?.

Same yearly amount as flu? Unless you were up in arms demanding lockdown over flu deaths in every previous year, in which case I apologise, I presume that's an amount we are generally okay with as a society.

And before someone says "covid isn't flu!" - yes of course covid isn't flu, but with widespread vaccination, eventually (soon) it won't kill any more people in the UK than flu does. Probably fewer, because the vaccines are more effective and the vaccine programme is more comprehensive.

Completely agree op. Seeing America and how they are pretty much back to normality actually hurts.

Totally agree with you, it’s nuts

I’m happy to go along with whatever strategy is deemed on balance to have the best outcomes. Of course it will never be clear what strategy that is, but I think it would help us all if the government could be more explicit in which strategy they are aiming for.

The editor of the Lancet said there were two main strategies out of this. 1. Get to herd immunity (defined back in Feb 2021 as 75% inoculated), or 2. Decide on an ‘acceptable’ number of casualties that we as a country can live with and let it rip. I am presuming the government are going for 1 and that the movement of dates etc is due to requiring a higher vaccine take up due to the new strain to achieve herd immunity?

@BonnesVacances I am so sorry to hear your DD is still so unwell. I remember your posts on her struggles with CFS/ME. Life has dealt her (and you) a really shitty hand. Am I right in thinking she had covid completely asymptomatically? Maybe one of the tiny silver linings in all of this will be that there will be better investment into and understand of post-viral conditions.

@MyrtlethePurpleTurtle,obviously not.Just observing others, enjoying a meal and keeping an eye on our MH.
Please enlighten me, how does Covid know I am sitting down and therefore, it can leave? Its absolutely stupid

@SweetsMum3 - I totally agree with you.

Coming to the end of 10 days with my 3 year old who’s had to isolate again. It’s not sustainable. I’m absolutely fucking done. I’d just like to know even what the plan is for children and how we remove the absolute bollocks of them having to isolate over and over again with no way to get out of it.

The data wasn't 'from' Twitter, a scientist published the link to a medical journal on twitter, there is a difference - which I assume you understand perfectly well, because you can't be that stupid.

Yes I understand that... but still no more peer reviewed than any other concerned scientists can post on twitter / youtube linking to a journal?

I had a quick look and all of the 700ish studied were over 45. While this might not make a difference... does it make a difference when we know Covid outcomes are pretty closely correlated with age?

Also I'm not sure I'm quite understanding how the twitter thread wholly relates to the study.

The converging longitudinal analyses revealed a significant, deleterious impact of COVID-19 on the olfactory and gustatory cortical systems

Taste and smell. But we knew this? This is just being now being confirmed in brain scans.

The rest of it (note, mentioned after the parts about taste and smell)... sounds like brain fog? Which has been widely reported on for years after normal colds, and also influenza. I had pneumonia before and experienced brain fog for maybe 3ish months before it started to come back.

Not dismissing it, this could very well get peer reviewed and all that... but what's it actually telling us? That they've proven what everyone has been saying about viruses for years via brain scans?

2021... where less anxious armchair scientists argue with more anxious armchair scientists on the internet. and get called stupid in the process

@User135644

but 99% of us also think that the extension was not such a good idea and will be beyond angry if it gets extended again

I think the government must know the risks of losing the public altogether if it gets extended again. You can imagine the protests in London next week being massive already.

There's enough opium for the masses this month with the Euros on to keep the men sedated with football. Wimbledon due to start as well with crowds allowed for that.

They'll know they need to open up next month.

And people think there is no lobbying? Subtle manipulation (claiming people will break the law en mass just because some people do) mixed with threat.

Nobody wants restrictions. (Except perhaps those refusing to do anything else, vaccines, masks, etc). But it's got to the stage when most realise the only way to end it properly (rather than on off on off) us to get it over with properly. Particularly when seeing from other countries the results (opening up safely) of actually doing something to suppress and contain

@MarshaBradyo

Have you done it lately out of interest?

Done what ?

And there's the rub...if everyone world-wide was locked down at the same time, there would be no more new strains...or they would die out before they could spread. Won't happen. Can you imagine trying to get every leader of every country to agree and then to coordinate it? And then to get their citizens to fully comply? The mind boggles. But it would work.

No it wouldn’t.

You would have to shut everything including supermarkets, hospitals etc.

Even just one remaining infected person could potentially kick off the whole thing again.

[quote frumpety]@MarshaBradyo

Have you done it lately out of interest?

Done what ?[/quote]
What you are just talking about in the post

Isolation

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Coming to the end of 10 days with my 3 year old who’s had to isolate again. It’s not sustainable. I’m absolutely fucking done. I’d just like to know even what the plan is for children and how we remove the absolute bollocks of them having to isolate over and over again with no way to get out of it.

I hear you. Totally

@serenjico

The data wasn't 'from' Twitter, a scientist published the link to a medical journal on twitter, there is a difference - which I assume you understand perfectly well, because you can't be that stupid.

Yes I understand that... but still no more peer reviewed than any other concerned scientists can post on twitter / youtube linking to a journal?

I had a quick look and all of the 700ish studied were over 45. While this might not make a difference... does it make a difference when we know Covid outcomes are pretty closely correlated with age?

Also I'm not sure I'm quite understanding how the twitter thread wholly relates to the study.

The converging longitudinal analyses revealed a significant, deleterious impact of COVID-19 on the olfactory and gustatory cortical systems

Taste and smell. But we knew this? This is just being now being confirmed in brain scans.

The rest of it (note, mentioned after the parts about taste and smell)... sounds like brain fog? Which has been widely reported on for years after normal colds, and also influenza. I had pneumonia before and experienced brain fog for maybe 3ish months before it started to come back.

Not dismissing it, this could very well get peer reviewed and all that... but what's it actually telling us? That they've proven what everyone has been saying about viruses for years via brain scans?

2021... where less anxious armchair scientists argue with more anxious armchair scientists on the internet. and get called stupid in the process

This is an actual reply though, and not stupid at all

I don't need people to agree with everything, I like to read other people's views, but I am tired of everything being dismissed out of hand.