Who are these people?

[Kindnessdoesnthurt]

BBC reports:
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

34 (47%) were unvaccinated
10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.

I understand no vaccine is 100%, however these people still dieing dispite having the vaccines. Are these people very unwell that isn't related to covid? Are they young people with no health concerns as the varient is spreading in the young?

It worries me a lot. Who are these people?

It has been widely communicated that immunity conferred by the 1st dose doesn't kick in immediately- it's 2 or 3 weeks, hence the breakdown above.

So your saying they caught it before the vaccine built up its immunity as the BBC are saying its after?

The silence is there for a reason.

They don't want us to know ...

Why would that be?

Could be people with blood cancer, people with transplants, people with immune disorders, the very elderly...

Vaccines don't necessarily work for everyone.

You don't know what they died from, before anyone can make any comment they need that information and we aren't ever going to know

But, everyone knows that the vaccine isn't 100% effective so of course people will continue to die of covid

What are you actually asking?

We have no idea who they were only that they leave behind devastated families regardless of vaccination status.

If the double vaccinated who have died "with covid" as opposed to "from covid" were young and/or otherwise healthy people, then they would rush to tell the public. The fact that they are not being transparent about the ages involved says a lot really. In reality, we have no idea (unless they release the data) of why any of those people died or whether it was even Covid related.

@Dustyboots

The silence is there for a reason.

They don't want us to know ...

Why would that be?

I’m going to guess the numbers are too low to draw a reliable conclusion about who is most at risk after vaccination.

@OP I’m interested in further details too but as I said above they probably don’t have enough data to reliably announce which (if any) groups are susceptible to the vaccines not working. If I had to guess they’re going to be people who were previously clinically vulnerable with factors that are already known to affect vaccine antibody development. There are possibly some further cases they’re not sure about too.

Anyone who doesn't get this, please take a plain sheet of A4 paper and a pen and write out one thousand times:

"Vaccines are not 100% effective"

Maybe that will get it into your head... got to live with hope

I am guessing they are not super young or healthy as that would have been used to put more fear into people!

As far as who they are.

Last I heard the double vaccinated who died had other comorbities, but that's pretty normal for the majority of covid deaths in general - largely I presume because it's quite hard to find someone >65 without one!

But vaccines can "fail" for perfectly healthy people with fully working immune systems - it's completely down to chance.

When they say a vaccine is 90% effective at preventing x, it doesn't mean that everyone who takes it get's 90% protection. It means that 90% of the people who take it get that level of protection - the other 10% don't .

This is why, in the event of a huge third wave of infections, no matter how many are vaccinated, a lot of people are still going to die - just far fewer than would have been the case without vaccines.

Not sure it's really right for people's personal health data to be communicated all over.

What are you worried about OP? Is it the general vaccines might not work for everyone, which is the same for all medicines, or is it personal that you want to compare your health with the dead? Or both, or something else?

@strangeshapedpotato as I said I know it isn't 100% effective in my original post. I didn't say otherwise.
I get there will still be deaths but what I'm asking is, is it affecting certain types of people or groups? Or just anyone?

@frozendaisy no not asking people to post personal details just more of a general thing.
Asking because I am slightly worried about my own personal health and others.

@strangeshapedpotato thank you that's more like the answer I'm looking for.

My mum had very severe COPD, after 15 years she developed lung cancer, she then picked up a serious bacterial infection in hospital and there was then a heat wave - terrible for people with bad lung conditions.. I don’t actually know what she died of in the end. Her heart may have given way as it was put under a lot of pressure due to her lung damage. Anyway, it doesn’t matter what she died of, she was always going to die, it was just a question of when. There will be people like her who will die after catching Covid, double vaccinated or not. It may be a factor in their death but it will not be the only factor.

@bunsygirl I'm sorry to hear this.

@Kindnessdoesnthurt Thank you.

We need to remember that the vaccine isn't a magical bullet that leads to immortality.

There was a post by someone the other day, that immuno suppressed family member who has been fully vaccinated developed no immunity.
That is why we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible, so we can slow down the spread. Those who need most protection sometimes cannot get any with no faults of their own. Those saying we should drop all the restriction since we have vaccinated elderly and vulnerable are not really understanding the reality of those unfortunate people.

Exactly.

My exactly was for Lelliebellieboo

By the way I'm all for vaccines.
I do agree @roguetomato.

Here's a summary of that
www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2021/04/20/immunocompromised

It's a sad fact that those MOST at risk of dying from covid, as a group, derive the least direct benefit from vaccinations.

Some of them will have people for whom the vaccine didn't work at all (ie no immunity/protection from very serious illness/death).
Others would have fallen into the group where they only had "mild" symptoms but (in one of the expert's words) were very frail and even a minor cold would have been enough to kill them.
Then others would have already been seriously ill/dying but just happened to have had a positive test while actually asymptomatic as far as covid goes (yes I know that it may not be many, but when numbers of deaths are so small and the case numbers are where they are now, that is likely to still be a statistically significant number).
Hopefully at some point there will be data published that will show us this kind of information.