Who are these people?

[Kindnessdoesnthurt]

BBC reports:
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

34 (47%) were unvaccinated
10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.

I understand no vaccine is 100%, however these people still dieing dispite having the vaccines. Are these people very unwell that isn't related to covid? Are they young people with no health concerns as the varient is spreading in the young?

It worries me a lot. Who are these people?

@roguetomato

There was a post by someone the other day, that immuno suppressed family member who has been fully vaccinated developed no immunity. That is why we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible, so we can slow down the spread. Those who need most protection sometimes cannot get any with no faults of their own. Those saying we should drop all the restriction since we have vaccinated elderly and vulnerable are not really understanding the reality of those unfortunate people.

Those ‘unfortunate people’ have always existed. A cold or flu virus could also be a serious risk to them. That’s their reality. People have no problem going out and about with colds and not getting the flu vaccine every year to protect the ‘unfortunate’.

@Lelliebellieboo

We need to remember that the vaccine isn't a magical bullet that leads to immortality.

Exactly from me too.

It is taking people sooooooooo long for people to reach this, when it has been done from the very beginning.

My question is, why cant people understand from the very beginning?
In what universe did people think vaccine = whoohoo.

Have the government made them think that? Dont think so.
So where have they got the idea from? Their own hope?

It has actually got to the point of annoying me now.

@lightand I agree. And no vaccine for any other illness is 100% effective either.

And we are expecting people not at risk from covid to take a vaccine which may have long-term risks in order to save those who are at risk from covid
Healthy people are having to sabotage their health

I would imagine that these double vaccinated people that have died are sadly older, more vulnerable people otherwise they wouldn't have been double vaccinated in the time frame where they can have had 2 doses plus 14 days then caught and died of Covid by 14th June. Only the over 60s & vulnerable would have been double jabbed by then.

Orange is age 10-19 deaths

Green is age 20-29

Red is age 30-39 etc

Lawrence Gilder on Twitter graphs up some of the daily numbers which is a boon for a visual learner like me.

You can see that so far, deaths in the lower age groups are a larger proportion of all covid deaths in the delta wave than they were previously.

There's no information to suggest the people who are dying from covid in the younger ages groups currently were otherwise unwell.

‘Larger proportion’ because there are fewer deaths overall.

I'm a bit in shock today as a wonderful man I know in his 70s died of Covid a couple of hours ago which he contracted whilst staying with family in Blackburn after being in intensive care this week. He had high blood pressure but wasn't frail. He was very independent and active. He was a bit overweight. He'd been double vaccinated.

My parents are younger than him but with more complicated health issues and one had to shield. They could reasonably live another 20 years. But if he's been vaccinated and died of covid then it makes me less confident than I was.

My friends dad died WITH covid but NOT from it. He had cancer and was dieing anyway, he was in the end stages (bed bound and unable to eat) when he caught covid, he died 3 days later, but the doctors said that even without covid he would have died within the next few days anyway because his body had already started shutting down.
He'd had both jabs and was about 4 weeks post 2nd one.

Those people must have existing health conditions or be old to have had both vaccinations. I’m 40 and am getting my first jab at the end of next month which was the earliest available booking (and over an hours drive away). So if you’re youngish and healthy chances are you’re not vaccinated.

@Thewiseoneincognito

We have no idea who they were only that they leave behind devastated families regardless of vaccination status.

I hesitate to say this, but not every death causes "devastated families". My dad died after a long struggle with Alzheimer's which was horrific to witness. What finished him off was a swift bout of pneumonia. After he had finally died and was at peace, we were sad and grieving but we were not "devastated".

You’re not alone @HesterShaw1. I think it’s a fairly common experience to welcome an end to it all as family when someone has been ill for a long time. A lot of grief takes place whilst the person is still alive because invariably their illness robs them of a lot of who they are.

It’s no less sad but it’s a very different experience to losing someone after a very short illness or suddenly.

@HesterShaw1 each to their own I suppose. Your point is based on the assumption that these people were already very ill or ready to die which may be the case for a few no doubt. The majority I expect leave behind grief and sadness whether or not their deaths be unexpected.

If someone is suffering severely from a debilitating illness then death for some would be welcomed, however a Covid death I can’t see being their preferred choice.

I think they need to communicate which vaxs it is. As people can take more care. If they are all say
AZ.
And yes possibly between those already in hospital - so likely had something serious going on.

Yes @HesterShaw1!

Not every death is tragic. I hate this mentality- when my grandparents died, they were all in their 90s/100s. That’s not tragic at all, it’s just LIFE. It’s what happens. I’m so sick of the ‘every death is tragic & leaves a devastated family behind’.

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE ONE DAY.

If someone is suffering severely from a debilitating illness then death for some would be welcomed, however a Covid death I can’t see being their preferred choice.

What's the difference? Very few people have a "choice" of how they die. Lots of causes of death aren't particularly pleasant - very few people die peacefully in their sleep after suffering no ill health at all.

Don't say "each to their own" like I am some unfeeling sociopath and you are the one who cares. People are born, they live, and at the end of their lives they die. My dad was only 74 which some on here would say was a spring chicken. However he'd had an ok innings, in my view. Yes it wasn't nice seeing him die with pneumonia, but it was the Alzheimer's which killed him.

No matter how much you try and persuade us that Covid deaths are mainly in the young marathon runners demographic, the actual fact remains that the median age of a covid death is 82. As with lots of other causes of death.

@roguetomato

There was a post by someone the other day, that immuno suppressed family member who has been fully vaccinated developed no immunity. That is why we need to get as many people vaccinated as possible, so we can slow down the spread. Those who need most protection sometimes cannot get any with no faults of their own. Those saying we should drop all the restriction since we have vaccinated elderly and vulnerable are not really understanding the reality of those unfortunate people.

My relative, in his 50s, was someone like this. He had one jab but still passed away from coronavirus, probably because the jab didn't offer protection for him specifically. He was immune suppressed but was a healthy weight and working and leading an otherwise normal life before this.

@HesterShaw1 completely understand where you are coming from. The day my mum died she told me she’d had enough and I knew that was the end. How could I ask her to fight when she’d been seriously ill for over a decade, spending weeks on end in hospital.

I can't tell if there's an agenda behind the question or if OP thought vaccines were 100% proof against death from that particular thing.

@Thewiseoneincognito

We have no idea who they were only that they leave behind devastated families regardless of vaccination status.

Mum died a very quick death from Covid. For the last 18 months of her life she would sob every day with the pain her joints caused her. Trust me we were not "devastated" when she died. Heartbroken yes, but relieved her suffering was over. Please do not speak for families whose suffering you know nothing about.

however a Covid death I can’t see being their preferred choice.

Why is a covid death worse than any other death?

Could be people with underlying conditions or illnesses that mean the vaccine doesn't do its job as effectively (it's been widely reported that people undergoing chemo wouldn't react the same way to a vaccine as a healthy individual)

@HSHorror

I think they need to communicate which vaxs it is. As people can take more care. If they are all say AZ. And yes possibly between those already in hospital - so likely had something serious going on.

I suspect there isn't enough of a trend in any direction for any clear conclusions to be drawn.

As cases then hospitalisations then deaths rise a pattern may become clear.

Regarding covid deaths. My great uncle was only in his 80s. (One jab, AZ.) He had another 20 years in him. He was in a home for his dementia, but he had no other conditions. He still walked miles every day and had a lot of joy and love in his life.

Regarding covid deaths. My great uncle was only in his 80s. (One jab, AZ.) He had another 20 years in him. He was in a home for his dementia, but he had no other conditions. He still walked miles every day and had a lot of joy and love in his life

My grandad is in his 80s with dementia. We were told the life expectancy of someone in their 80s with dementia is around and 5 years max. That is really sad about your uncle and I am really sorry to hear about that. It is a life limiting illness though and someone in their 80s would not have a good 20 years.

Heart disease , dementia , strokes etc all above and covid the 24th

Interestingly dementia , flu etc all below the 5 year average as many of these were likely to have succumbed earlier and been attributed to covid