Sky news article about delta. Deaths after 2 vaccines

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

This is the bit that scares me, and makes me think the "end" is no longer in sight.

As of 7 June, there have been 42 deaths in England of people confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of testing positive.

Of these people, 23 were unvaccinated, seven had had their first dose more than 21 days before and 12 had their second dose more than 14 days before.

Unless my maths is way off that means 28% of people who have died with delta variant have had 2 doses of the vaccine.

The vaccines were supposed to be our way out!

I'm not one for scaremongering so im sorry if this post comes across like that but I feel so so down today. I want a light at the end of the tunnel!

Full article:

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-delta-variant-60-more-transmissible-than-alpha-and-more-resistant-to-vaccines-phe-reports-12330068

Here comes the sun

You sound delighted.

What will you do when it’s really over? Maybe July 19th?

Will you be, umm, annoyed?

@winched

The thing is, that people trot out "oh but people who died had co-morbidities or were over 50" as if that's all right then, those people's lives don't matter.

Nobody ever says that last part though. People just frequently read that and imagine that's what's being implied (when the reality is most people know / care about someone over 50 even if they don't know other groups).

We only ever seem to jump to this 'as if those people don't matter' conclusion when we're talking about covid.

It's like discussing a new experimental cancer treatment and someone pointing out that of the deaths we still have, 72% are smokers, or obese, or 70+, or anything else that made them previously vulnerable to dying of cancer. Sorry but anyone who claims that discussion equates to their lives not mattering has motivations behind that perception. You are seeing what you want to see. And I'd be 90% confident the people jumping to those conclusions are smokers / obese / 70+.

It's understandable to extent, but all it does is stifle conversation. In the nicest possible way, the entire country cannot revolve around people vulnerable to covid in the same way it has never, and will never, revolve around people vulnerable to suicide, or allergies, or cancer. Or anyone with autism. Or anyone with photosensitive epilepsy. All of these things are unfortunate parts of being human. I am not vulnerable to covid but something else which reduces life expectancy by 12 - 20 years. I can't imagine a scenario where they announced a treatment which worked on a scale of least to most affected (so might not help me), and my response is anything other than 'great news!'. To turn that into whataboutery would not even occur to me.

the entire country cannot revolve around people vulnerable to covid in the same way it has never, and will never, revolve around people vulnerable to suicide, or allergies, or cancer.

Last I checked suicide, allergies and cancer weren't contagious you complete and utter .

@herecomesthsun

It doesn't matter what you say or how poorly as long as you tell people what it suits them to hear

Isn't that the truth...

no not delighted

I would actually like not to get ill.

I would like us to be able to have a rational nuanced debate about this.

I would like my immune compromised DC to actually be offered a vaccine and not be in a classroom with 30 other kids waiting for covid to hit the school.

And I would like to get on with my life.

pretending that there isn't a problem wouldn't help with any of that,

See the points made by winched.

@SonnetForSpring have you a source for that?

@Malteser71

See the points made by winched.

lol lol

[quote bollihigh]@SonnetForSpring have you a source for that?[/quote]
It's evolutionary biology! I don't need a source. I have studied it. But of course see any epidemiologist and they will tell you the same if they have the balls to and are not being gagged by the government.

www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/experts-warn-against-partial-immunity-mutation-risks-101610831529993.html

By delaying the interval between first and second dose, we have made this situation more likely. There are many other sources. Just google.

It may be evolutionary biology but we are in uncharted waters and there will never be a perfect time medically as COVID isn't going away anytime soon if ever. Anyways it's now looking like another month before freedom day and vaccine to the max.

@bollihigh

It may be evolutionary biology but we are in uncharted waters and there will never be a perfect time medically as COVID isn't going away anytime soon if ever. Anyways it's now looking like another month before freedom day and vaccine to the max.

A better time to open up would be when everyone has been double jabbed and then the virus has less chance of vaccine escape.

So why did they ever say June 21st?

The ignorance of me talking health is staggering.

I work in nhs mental health services. I have a lady on my caseload who attempted suicide in april. She does not want to live. She has three children. She can’t cope with repeated restrictions/uncertainly because she is autistic.

I know she is going to end her life as a result of any delay. I’ve worked with this client group long enough to know how this is panning out.

It’s not all about shielding the vulnerable from dine thing that might affect their physical health. There are people like her for whom it’s definitely affecting their mental health. Three kids potentially without a mother. Some people don’t understand this, they just want to ‘sit tight’ because it’s comfortable enough for them. Not everyone is comfortable.

mental health

@Malteser71

So why did they ever say June 21st?

The ignorance of me talking health is staggering.

I work in nhs mental health services. I have a lady on my caseload who attempted suicide in april. She does not want to live. She has three children. She can’t cope with repeated restrictions/uncertainly because she is autistic.

I know she is going to end her life as a result of any delay. I’ve worked with this client group long enough to know how this is panning out.

It’s not all about shielding the vulnerable from dine thing that might affect their physical health. There are people like her for whom it’s definitely affecting their mental health. Three kids potentially without a mother. Some people don’t understand this, they just want to ‘sit tight’ because it’s comfortable enough for them. Not everyone is comfortable.

Tes the pandemic has put pressure on people who have mental health issues. What do you want us to say??? There is not ideal solution. We can't stop reality unfortunately, even though it can be very difficult to deal with. Surely your job is to help her work with the reality she faces.

I'm not bloody comfortable either. I don't think many are. The alternative is infinitely worse.

The covid restrictions are out of our control. Surely working in MH, you should understand that.

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

No but ITU cases are creeping up. Albeit slower than before so here's to hoping that's a continuing trend.

However, we hadn't escalated last December either and that all went tits up pretty quickly. Keeping fingers crossed that it doesn't go that way again.

Oh I understand.

Maybe you could tell that to my suicidal autistic lady? I’m sure she’d appreciate the explanation.

(Perhaps she would reply - some people are vulnerable? I don’t care. What do you want me to say?)

But vaccines will always be behind the current mutations so we are in a seemingly endless cycle of lockdowns and boosters until we reach the limits of this virus's genetic potential. I'm not sure we can take much more individually, societally, and economically. I'm glad I don't have to make the decision.

work in nhs mental health services. I have a lady on my caseload who attempted suicide in april. She does not want to live. She has three children. She can’t cope with repeated restrictions/uncertainly

When cases got high last time I wanted to kill myself instead of getting covid. Clinically vulnerable and know people don't care if I catch it and die and every time see freedom day in news makes me feel suicidal again. Know world can't revolve around me and know need mental health just upsetting when people say about mental health like we all want to get covid.

Don't want to die from covid and suicide better as more control and quicker and no hospital.

@Malteser71

(Perhaps she would reply - some people are vulnerable? I don’t care. What do you want me to say?)

If you actually worked in MH, you would surely understand the complexities. You can't change the world to improve someone's mental health unfortunately. The definition of mental wellbeing is being able to cope with the stresses of life. Yes having autism makes that harder. However, that's not going to change the fact we are in a pandemic. I'm not being uncaring. I'm saying focus on what can be changed/improved. The covid restrictions are not within your control so stop focusing on them and help her in another way.

@thewayyougo - suicide is never the answer. I'm not sure spending too much time on MN or watching the endless news helps either. Do you have anybody you can confide in or provide support in real life?

I know not answer cos hard to do it and working on it and getting help. Just upsetting when people say freedom day stuff is about mental health.