Are we being scared into taking the vaccine ? If so GOOD.

[vera99]

I've had my first AZ 8 weeks ago and am getting my accelerated second dose next Friday. Let's hope the quick and dirty read of the vaccines holding well continues. That said I have a mixed feeling that the final push to get the maximum number of folk jabbed requires a 'scariant' push to get herd immunity over the line and now with a twist that unlocking might be delayed by a fortnight which may exaggerate the risk somewhat. It's what the 'nudge unit' and SAGE would do.

If so then all well and good. The doomster narrative has a key role to play in persuading some waverers to take the plunge so that we can get back to normal as soon as possible. So rather than accentuate the positive it might be best to NOT to eliminate the negative in this instance for a few weeks more !

If anyone still believes the scare tactics still going on then they deserve all they get! It is so transparent it is untrue..

How lovely, a final whack to some people’s already fragile mental health, not to mention the most obvious thing, you are happy to be scared into something you are happy to take- what happens when you don’t want to do something the government wants you to do?!

Bloody hell

There is nothing you could say that would scare me into having this vaccine. The risk of the jab for me outweighs my risk of Covid. I will never have it.

Scaring a minority group into compliance.

Wow.

The ‘scare tactics’ clearly aren’t working on me and others I know that have chose not to have the vaccine.

@vera99

This is my take to feel positive about the whole thing and feel that the finishing line is in sight. Trying to vax a whole population of 40 million-plus folks is not an easy task but we have the vaccines and the logistics now it's just the waverers particularly in BAME communities to take the plunge. So if scaring the waverers is the only way in the end then for the greater good so be it.

I am entirely pro vax for all but blaming the BAME communities for not taking it and affecting the progress of reopening is completely unacceptable. The people I know who refuse to have the vaccine are all White British! The government aren't using scare tactics to get people vaccinated they are panicking due to exponential growth, higher transmission rates, double the risk of hospitalisation and vaccine escape. Like previous they have already allowed the virus to get ahead of them and let's just hope the vaccine holds up!

Rock and a hard place and all that. I don't know that to be true but have a hunch and like I said I have comfort in that as I don't want to believe in the doomster narrative it's just too depressing. But vaccination is the route out of this nightmare and we all get to choose not to have it if we so wish.

🙄 no interest in getting the vaccine and won't be having it. I'm pro-choice, not anti-vax, as I firmly believe that millions of people in the UK are better off getting the vaccine than having COVID. I had COVID when I was pregnant and I only had a cough.

@jumpbounce - a poor anecdotal from me on BAME and like you say the refuseniks will no doubt embrace all ethnicities and classes. That said you may well be right about panicking but that scares me even more as to where we may be going. Believing it to be scare tactics is my way of feeling positive.

There is BAME hesitancy though.

www.local.gov.uk/our-support/coronavirus-information-councils/covid-19-service-information/covid-19-vaccinations/behavioural-insights/resources/research

There's hesitancy across people from all back grounds.

I am pro-vax. I had my jab as soon as I was able to. I generally don't have much time for people refusing vaccines, but this time the government have brought this on themselves.

A nationwide vaccine programme of this kind requires trust from the people receiving the vaccine. This government have lied to people again and again throughout the pandemic. There is no trust left - only a sense that the government is doing whatever they think they need to for their own well being, including making a personal profit for themselves every inch along the way.

I hope we do get enough people vaccinated, that we reach a state where whatever is circling is doing minimal damage. But if we don't, it's not because of minority ethnic groups, or the odd anti-Vaxxer here and there, it's entirely on Boris and his group of twunts.

@sar302 on Boris we are in a 100% agreement. The omnishambles clusterfuck is much of his making but that message doesn't seem to be cutting through. He rides ever higher in the polls the more mess he creates sadly.

It's more likely to put me off getting the vaccine, I didn't bring mine forward and am probably not going to bother with the second one.

@vera99 Yes, the last mid term left me bemused quite frankly.

Hmmm scare tactics or a reasoned discussion?

If you are happy for the government and media to treat everyone like children fine. Personally I think a reasoned discussion and the ability for people to make their own risk benefits is the way to a civilised society but covid has shown how lots of people quite like everyone to be scared into submission.

I'm vaccinated. But I do not believe anyone should be forced or scared into compliance. Last I checked, this was a democracy and we have freedom of choice. If you don't want that, go and live in North Korea.

Makes me laugh though that there's a conspiracy we are all going to mind controlled yet you can't see that a 'scarient' and 'nudge' is literally just that. Can't see the wood through the trees

Won't be happy till
People are pinned down for it?

Leave people be. You want it? Get it.
Don't? don't.

It won't work.

We now have a variant that can spread with ease through mono vaccinated folk, and put double infected folk in hospital still (albeit at a reduced rate).

To achieve herd immunity, it's not simply sufficient to vaccinate x% of the population. It's about what % cannot contract and pass on the virus. The more vaccine resistant the virus, higher the % you need to vaccinate, but obv you can only go to 100% .

Data not yet sufficient to build a full model, but I'd put my house on herd immunity no longer being viable without an effective booster being created (if possible). It'll be months before that's available - too late to affect anything.

If they don't reimpose restrictions, the best they can do is try to vaccinate as many extra folk as possible before they get infected and hope it cuts down hospital admissions.

I feel sorry for doctors and nurses who once again are going to be called upon to clean up this government's mess.

I had some cold temporary comfort with my probably deluded 'scariant' narrative but the truth is as others have noted and Cumming's underlined with his anecdote government is 'a shopping trolley smashing from one side of the aisle to the other'.

Problem with the doomsday approach is even with our vaccine rollout we are still being restricted and fed bad news that I, as many others, think what’s the Point in complying or even taking a vaccine that won’t help

Won't be happy till
People are pinned down for it?

already happened

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1424869/Coronavirus-vaccine-care-homes-Covid-vaccinations-Millport-Care-Centre-Cumbrae-Scotland

@vera99

This is my take to feel positive about the whole thing and feel that the finishing line is in sight. Trying to vax a whole population of 40 million-plus folks is not an easy task but we have the vaccines and the logistics now it's just the waverers particularly in BAME communities to take the plunge. So if scaring the waverers is the only way in the end then for the greater good so be it.

Thanks, that statement doesn't make me feel victimised at all.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Problem with the doomsday approach is even with our vaccine rollout we are still being restricted and fed bad news that I, as many others, think what’s the Point in complying or even taking a vaccine that won’t help

Exactly. It just makes people think what's the point? If I have it, nothing changes so why have it?

I have had both vaccines but if this carries on it feels entirely pointless. I was never at a big risk from covid so it's not for my own benefit. If it doesn't give me any more freedom it doesn't benefit me at all.

And i know someone will reply about "the greater good" but if this pandemic has taught me anything it's that people could not give less of a fuckabour eachother. They'll make out they do, for show. They'll clap for the NHS but then they'll say they think nhs workers should be forcibly vaccinated or sacked.

I am more selfish now if anything because I've been shown that every other fucker is, and not looking out for your own interests will get you nowhere.