I can’t bear the thought of another full lockdown but it seems inevitable

[cantfaceitalloveragain]

I’ve only just this week been allowed to see sister without social distancing, as she lives in residential care, had a lovely meal and a big hug but at the end all I could think was, will it be another year before we can meet again? She’s been hugely, horribly affected by this virus - she’s dreadfully ill through anxiety - and has been only just told this week she can see two relatives and one friend, and she might be allowed back to day care services the end of this month - first time since Feb 2020 .

I can’t bear the thought of another year indoors, no haircuts, no socialising, no shopping, no travel, no seeing sister or friends or family ...

I live in a tiny village with shit public transport that was largely stoped over both lockdowns ... can’t bear another year in this three mile square and relying on online delivery and zoom ... GP rang this morning and even yapping to her I thought, how lovely it would be to see someone else face to face - most friends and family are still heavily avoiding all socialising, this is my experience of most people now that there’s a lot of fear and anxiety around covid .

I realise restrictions are necessary and probably inevitable, and things could be so so much worse - but I’m struggling so much now . Finding I’m dreading getting out of bed as I keep thinking, what’s coming next?

Agree with you all saying another lockdown would be absolute bollocks and what's the point of the vaccine then but there will be ALOT of people who won't be getting the vaccine and that is a human right.
But I'm confused by the people saying I won't do another lockdown... if shops and hospitality , gyms , schools did shut again you don't really have a choice as there's nowhere to go and fuck all to do it's beyond a joke now

Scrambledcustard

Best we all accept that we'll be spending the rest of the year in lockdown instead of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that everything's okay

I won't be spending the rest of the year in lockdown. All the venerable people in my family have had their vaccinations. We already lost a year. won't be happening again, life really is too short for some of my family.

It's the same with my family. Most are elderly and if I don't see them soon I worry I won't see them again.

Completely this. My dad died unexpectedly late last year. Due to restrictions I hadn't seen him since Christmas 2019. I am not missing out on spending time with the people I love, I am not risking someone else dying without me having seen them in ages.

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@mrssunshinexxx

Agree with you all saying another lockdown would be absolute bollocks and what's the point of the vaccine then but there will be ALOT of people who won't be getting the vaccine and that is a human right. But I'm confused by the people saying I won't do another lockdown... if shops and hospitality , gyms , schools did shut again you don't really have a choice as there's nowhere to go and fuck all to do it's beyond a joke now

I'd keep meeting up with friends and family, in their homes/gardens etc. I would not comply with another lockdown for the things I can control. Hospitalisations are not high enough to justify another lockdown.

Is Nanny The Daily Mail personified or what! Honestly the handwringing is deafening.

@MarshaBradyo

Oh and the odd bit of angry abuse added which seems par for the course when the few don’t get people to agree

And dodgy maths that isn’t corrected

Marsha, you are just an argumentative soul. I have repeated shown you evidence which you refuse to acknowledge. Anyone can find this information. Just look for it. It's becoming more widely publicised. Also radio 4 has had quite a few of the scientists on recently. So I don't believe you are not aware of the information. You are either being wilfully obtuse or you like arguing.

They can close whatever businesses or schools they want but no way will I stay home again nor Will I make my dc do either. We'll always continue to see all family and friends that want to see us . End of

@Ingridla

Is Nanny The Daily Mail personified or what! Honestly the handwringing is deafening.

No she is not the daily mail. She is putting forward intelligent commentary. Problem is most don't want to hear it.

you are just an argumentative soul. I have repeated shown you evidence which you refuse to acknowledge. Anyone can find this information. Just look for it. It's becoming more widely publicised. Also radio 4 has had quite a few of the scientists on recently. So I don't believe you are not aware of the information. You are either being wilfully obtuse or you like arguing.

Not really. But the maths seems poor as many have pointed it out. I’m not the one who resorts to insults and gets angry over people not agreeing. I’m really not convinced by your certainty.

Oh Sonnet you are entertaining

@Sparklfairy

Bloody autocorrect. Lockdowns not lockouts

Haha. It is lockouts though. I certainly won't be locking down but will be locked out of restaurants shops etc

Also it is actually mixed on the radio, this was the other day. I know some are entrenched so not much point in posting but as I do listen it’s not all one way..

Sir John, regius professor of medicine at University of Oxford, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the UK's "numbers don't look too intimidating" and he was "encouraged" by what he saw.

However, he said the government was taking "a wise approach" in being cautious ahead of making its decision.

"I do think we need to keep our eye on hospitalisations, serious disease and deaths which is really what we are trying to manage," he said.

"If we scamper down a rabbit hole every time we see a new variant we are going to spend a long time huddled away so we do need to keep a bit of balance to the discussion and keep our eyes on the serious disease that we are trying to prevent."

No she is not the daily mail. She is putting forward intelligent commentary. Problem is most don't want to hear it.

Like “cases are doubling every 4 days”?

It's not sarcastic. So many on MN don't seen to live and the real world and have a scooby what is happening. The third wave has started

Eh? There are only about 900 people in hospital with Covid-19 currently. The NHS is far from overwhelmed.

Listen, I know some of you are desperate for another lockdown because you don’t want to go back to the office, or you’re just miserable people who enjoy bringing others down. Unfortunately for you though, it ain’t gonna happen.

Whilst we debate lockdowns and lockouts may ask for a mother of all lock-ins soon.

@RedcurrantPuff

No she is not the daily mail. She is putting forward intelligent commentary. Problem is most don't want to hear it.

Like “cases are doubling every 4 days”?

Cases 30th May: 3077

Cases 4th June: 6328

It's not going to happen because like so many others have said, the vaccines work. Even one dose - which most adults have had - gives 70-80% protection.

At this rate, my calculations tells that we ll have 120 millions daily cases in the UK in the 4th November 2021.

the economy will be shut down for 2 years anyway if you let an uncontrolled pandemic rip through the country without any attempts to supress it

Genuine question though... I have a friend in Florida and his life has been practically normal. He wears a mask to "Costa" but I don't even think that was enforced or mandated for a large majority of the time.

Why has he not experienced this massive economic collapse people keep referring to when you don't lockdown?

(I'm not talking about the moral argument and how many people would have died, I'm talking about the economic collapse people refer to when anyone says... maybe we should have just let it rip).

But just for info, the UK has 187 deaths per 100k and Florida has 172. But you have to wonder how many have and will die as a result of the measures we took.

Let's give it a few weeks and then come back to this conversation. The trajectory is obvious to many people, including the government. The reason they are not telling you the truth is down to politics. The naivety is astounding.

I'm.just trying to live in the now, which the is a effort.

Things are mostly at a bareable level but 1) my mum doesnt feel comfortable seeing my kids
2) there was a two hour wait to get into Nandos tonight.

So it does keep back and slapping you in the the face that things arent normal.

I think if you can do things right now you should. Eventually the rest will return. I keep booking refundable breaks so I have things to look forward to.

See your sister and enjoy the moment

There won't be another lockdown. Some local restrictions perhaps as well as the international travel ban, but definitely not another national lockdown.

Stop worrying.

What have India done to cause the drop in cases recently? Shouldn’t they be up to 10m cases a day and increasing because we all know that’s how exponential growth works and there are no other possible factors that might influence things.

I suppose their vaccination rate is much higher and they don’t have any poverty or urban crowding or multigenerational families or factories, and have great leadership and compliant population, so must be much lower risk than the UK somehow.

@southeastdweller

It's not going to happen because like so many others have said, the vaccines work. Even one dose - which most adults have had - gives 70-80% protection.

One dose is 33%.

One of the most impressive things about mRNA vaccines is how quickly they can be tweaked to tackle new variants - a matter of a few weeks only. Production needs to be ramped up to match, but that’s already underway. It’s why the next mRNA vaccine will probably be for flu (current vaccines quickly become obsolete due to new flu strains and so have limited efficacy).

Boosters for the most vulnerable will be available by the autumn. We are in an immeasurably better position than last summer / autumn