Question for people who are so anti-vaccine

[User135644]

Whether people choose to take the vaccine or not is up to them, that's not what i'm interested in.

But you get people who are so against the Covid vaccines, yet are also vehemently anti-lockdown and any restrictions (i.e. the rabble in London the other day, spreading anti-vax rhetoric all over the city while doing their best William Wallace impressions 'freedom').

Do these people not realise that without vaccines we'd still massively be up shit creek without a paddle (as many countries still are)? We'd likely still be in lockdown with the Indian variant particularly causing many deaths among the elderly and vulnerable. Therefore, whether you choose to take the vaccine or not, are you not at least glad at the effect they've had on suppressing the virus?

Our government have handled Covid so badly that the vaccines have been a literal life saver for thousands of people. We'd be fucked right now without them. Be grateful.

Discord I agree but this also goes the other way - I don't think people should be trying to make others feel selfish/wrong/bad/stupid for being reluctant about the vaccine.

Not saying you are BTW but this is a common attitude and I don't think it's very helpful.

It's people trying to make you feel bad/stupid for getting the vaccine I detest.

Yep. Especially when it’s people who say the vaccine is “untested” and they want to wait to see how it affects other people before they have it. Then call these other people having the vaccine idiots and sheeple. Way to be grateful!

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

It's people trying to make you feel bad/stupid for getting the vaccine I detest.

Yep. Especially when it’s people who say the vaccine is “untested” and they want to wait to see how it affects other people before they have it. Then call these other people having the vaccine idiots and sheeple. Way to be grateful!

yes exactly, or quoting Yeadon who says it'll kill everyone who's had it

utter twaddle

This site seems to have a high proportion anti vaxx (or I’m not But people) compared with rl.

I actually don’t think there are many antivaxxers on MN. (Unless you mean people who don’t want this particular vaccine and are deliberately misusing the ‘antivaxx’ label to discredit them?)

Still higher proportion of anti whether AZ or a Covid vaccines or vaccine in general.

Whether the term makes them feel discredited or not.

@MarshaBradyo

Still higher proportion of anti whether AZ or a Covid vaccines or vaccine in general.

Whether the term makes them feel discredited or not.

I don’t think they feel discredited. I just think you’re trying to discredit them by labelling them ‘antivaxx’ in general and lumping them in with conspiracy theorists. It’s a bit childish tbh. The majority of people who have decided against this particular vaccine are fully vaccinated and have vaccinated their children so not ‘anti-vaxx’ at all.

The alternative is not taking the vaccine and dying of covid or passing it on to someone who does die.

It really isn’t one or the other. Covid is mild for the majority of people and most of the vulnerable people who are most likely to die have now been vaccinated.

It’s not childish to use the phrase. If people think that of those who are anti / refusers so what? You get the upside of restrictions lifting because other people have it. Downside is people might be fed up with the barrage of I’m not anti vaxx but.. posts.

@Nerdygirl

Covid was less of an issue this time last year and through the summer due to the wave being over and that was without vaccines. Absolutely agree that those vulnerable like the flu should get vaccinated but the balance of risk for the rest of the population and the fact that whilst transmission may be reduced it doesn’t stop makes many think twice

How was Covid less of an issue this time last year? Everything was still shut, including schools, and we had no vaccine.

@maureentr there’s a lot of assumptions you have made there . Could have sadly got it from a vaccinated person

I can’t believe that you still feel despite your niece having a blood clot that it’s a risk worth taking when her likelihood of serious complications from covid is minuscule

I wear a mask and have complied with lockdown.

I just don’t want this vaccine - yet. I’m very cautious about my health which also puts me at a low risk from covid.

I’m delighted you have all had your vaccines. We vaccinate those who want or need it and let the rest of us get on with it. We are in a good position as most people want the vaccine so we don’t need this either/or discussion.

@RedcurrantPuff a lot of schools had classes of over 20 there, private schools had reopened so not everything shut. Plus throughout the summer there was a lot of mixing with no big spike . And we had no vaccines . I guess we will know what it really is this winter

If you look at the ages of people sadly dying they are still very old and so likely to have been vaccinated too

@maureentr do you take the same attitude for people who refuse the flu vaccine? Someone who is not vaccinated may Well have antibodies so wouldn’t be spreading it anymore than someone who has had a vaccination. Look at the numbers of cases , you seem to have lost all sense of proportion

@MarshaBradyo

It’s not childish to use the phrase. If people think that of those who are anti / refusers so what? You get the upside of restrictions lifting because other people have it. Downside is people might be fed up with the barrage of I’m not anti vaxx but.. posts.

I think it’s childish. It looks like playground bully tactics to me. You don’t agree with their decision so you’re trying to make them look silly by lumping them in with a category of people that is widely mocked/discredited for their belief in far fetched conspiracy theories.

Btw restrictions being lifted is not an ‘upside’, it’s supposed to be the default position. We had temporary restrictions to protect people in the most vulnerable groups who were likely to end up in hospital and overwhelm the NHS. They have now been vaccinated which protects them from serious illness and protects the NHS from being overwhelmed. Again, this is supposed to be the default position, not something we’re benefitting from.

Anyway, if you want to continue with the petty name calling go ahead. My playground days are, thankfully, far behind me.

@maureentr

Im sorry but unless there is a damn good reason medically. no one who has refused the vaccine should be allowed to mix in society. I have done the decent thing for society and had my vaccine, so why should I want to sit next to an anti vaxxer risking my heath through their selfishness in a public setting? If you havent had the vaccine ( refusing it) then stay in and allow decent people who have done their duty to function in society without fear !

Why do think they’re putting you at risk if you’ve been vaccinated? And if you argue that the vaccine isn’t 100% effective then you’re also putting people at risk, including the unvaccinated person you’re sitting next to.

Wow you sound delightful willing to ban someone from your family who wants to have autonomy over their body. You can still pass it on you know , it could have been someone vaccinated that passed it on which given your uncles age and condition implies he was in a healthcare setting where people are likely to be vaccinated.

Your niece was unlikely to get ill from covid as the official guidelines even state .

You do seem very irked by the phrase Bumbley but I can’t really get too concerned about that.

It’s more irritating when the site is awash with people going on and on about not getting what will get us out of this. So I’m not too fussed if you find it those things, which sound like hyperbole.

Think you will find that flu is more deadly to children for instance than covid. So by not having the flu vaccine you are putting many at risk . My point is that people seem fine with this and the same logic should apply.

I should report your post for misinformation @maureentr as covid is not deadly for all age groups