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Cummings evidence today

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 09:57

Anyone listening?

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whoopsabloominbuttercup · 27/05/2021 19:11

He is a sociopath . He cant help himself.

What is the criteria for a sociopath?
A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

jasjas1973 · 27/05/2021 19:13

@whoopsabloominbuttercup

He is a sociopath . He cant help himself.

What is the criteria for a sociopath?
A sociopath can be defined as a person who has Antisocial Personality Disorder. This disorder is characterized by a disregard for the feelings of others, a lack of remorse or shame, manipulative behavior, unchecked egocentricity, and the ability to lie in order to achieve one's goals.

Agree Boris Johnson is all of these.
Saucery · 27/05/2021 19:17

There was a care home manager on here in March/April last year and what she said about the lack of PPE and the insistence of hospitals in sending care home residents home was chilling.
I won’t namecheck her as I haven’t seen her around lately and maybe she doesn’t want it all dragged up again, but I hope she is ok.
The odd news report got through too. Victoria MacDonald on Ch4 was visibly angry last night about the fact that they were trying to report the real situation while the falsehoods about ‘protective rings’ were being spouted by Hancock.
Friends and family in care settings and the NHS were also frank about what was going on. To sit there and have that utter fantasy broadcast on repeat from the government was sickening.

Cummings is a self-serving, superior scumbag, but I believe him on this.

MercyBooth · 27/05/2021 19:21

The absolute hypocrisy of sending untested patients into care homes while banning families from visiting their relatives in those care homes.

Rejoiningperson · 27/05/2021 19:48

Someone I knew, a consultant in ICU had to go to all the media to beg for covid testing for his staff - which at the time weren’t even being provided tests last year when the units were filling up with covid patients and half of his staff were off in case their colds were covid and he didn’t have enough to run the ward.

That was last year. And it was a direct result of the government not ordering covid testing kits and ignoring the issue for weeks.

52andblue · 27/05/2021 20:15

@Saucery
I know it is anecdata but my neighbour is quite senior in the care homes industry & with a team of around 4 others is responsible for hundreds of staff and thousands of care home patients. She visibly aged last year. She looked utterly exhausted & in tears when she described her feelings of impotence at not being able to keep her staff and patients safe as the Govt offloaded those who were ill back into homes with well but very vulnerable residents. She attended 8 online funerals in 2 days at one point. We are rural and at one point she was driving around in the evenings trying to get hand sanitiser from local vets in her 'spare time'. Said she'll never trust a Govt again.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 27/05/2021 20:15

NEWS: Everybody going from hospital into social care will be tested for #coronavirus & isolated whilst the result comes through to protect those most in need. Matt Hancock 15 April 2020

Was listening to a radio interview w/Hancock this afternoon and his explanation (when this was put to him) was that 'will be tested' didn't mean 'will be tested NOW'. It meant 'will be tested eventually, once we get our act together'. Oh OK then Confused

Redjoy · 27/05/2021 20:22

Yes but throughout all Cummings’ lies about the Barnard Castle nonsense, the Tories backed him to the hilt. So why are they now saying he can’t be trusted?

the80sweregreat · 27/05/2021 20:23

@Redjoy

Yes but throughout all Cummings’ lies about the Barnard Castle nonsense, the Tories backed him to the hilt. So why are they now saying he can’t be trusted?
Good point.
Saucery · 27/05/2021 20:24

52andblue I can’t imagine what it must have been like for those staff.
Anecdata only becomes news if it’s allowed to be reported, which it wasn’t. Shameful.

There simply wasn’t anywhere for those people to go from hospital. A situation that occurred quite regularly before, but not in those numbers and not carrying a virus that was likely to kill them, others in their care setting and a proportion of the staff trying to care for them.

AnnieSnap · 27/05/2021 20:41

@Onceuponatime1818

I think they need to be held to account and to learn from the mistakes

Totally agree, it’s not good enough. And they didn’t learn, for example; taking ages to put India on the red list

Absolutely this 👆 Of course Dominic Cummings is no prize, but his evidence was consistent with what many have suspected. So essentially, he is just confirming the worst. Both Channel 4 News and Newsnight had various independent experts, including a member of the SAGE committee, who confirmed what he say and agreed that “many thousands of people” died unnecessarily due to inaction by the Government.
Jellyrunner · 27/05/2021 20:47

Not a fan of Cummings, don’t like the man and his barnard castle stuff was patronising and a joke. But, he didn’t say much yesterday we didn’t know, the government acted too late, Boris did not take it seriously enough, he stayed on holiday for gods sake. We all saw that, he was shaking hands with people etc. I didn’t imagine that, it really happened, he stayed when important meetings were held. ( repetition I know) An inquiry is needed, not to blame, but so we know what to do next time, quite frankly we cannot leave it for a government to write the plan, because they seem to forget to write them and otherwise they will mess it up like this time and kill people.

Diverseopinions · 27/05/2021 21:01

I struggle to see how you can not make allowances for Matt Hancock, a relatively inexperienced politician, young, who hasn't had a long senior career, and who finds himself thrust into the hot seat when he is given the role of Health Secretary as Jeremy Hunt left it - and with an unpredicted pandemic about to hit. Perhaps they should have got the latter, Jeremy Hunt, back to help out when it became clear what an absolutely enormous job it is going to be, during unprecedented times, with no clear idea how the virus is going to behave.

Mat Hancock has faced the press week in, week out: bravely, you could say; dutifully, anyway. I hate to think of ministers telling a lot of lies, and I hope he hasn't. I don't agree or approve of lying, under any circumstances. But, goodness, if there are times to expect people to make mistakes, these are them. It was wrong to put just that one person in charge of health; they should have had a team to share the mental load.

Who does Dominic Cummings think would have desired the job had Matt Hancock been sacked? That and working for Boris Johnson, who is said to be muddled would put everyone off, I'm sure. Michael Gove wouldn't have taken it, I bet. And much easier to be an anonymous adviser like Cummings.

If there had been lies, I'd say Boris Johnson should have made it his business to find these out, and to have checked elderly people were being tested.

How can one man shoulder the health portfolio in times like these?

I think a coalition of all parties should have formed last year, and Labour politicians could have done some scrutinizing from within. Not to late to do it next month.

BeastfromtheNorthEast · 27/05/2021 21:23

@Saucery There simply wasn’t anywhere for those people to go from hospital. A situation that occurred quite regularly before, but not in those numbers and not carrying a virus that was likely to kill them, others in their care setting and a proportion of the staff trying to care for them

How about using the empty nightingale hospitals? Sending people who either hadn't been tested, or worse still had tested positive, into care homes created a catastophic domino effect of loss of life. Alternatives could and should have been found.

Leonardsgirl · 27/05/2021 21:25

Diverseopinions I agree. I wouldn't want Hancock's job. A huge task on one man's shoulders.

Thoughout the pandemic I've thought that political parties should have worked together in teams. Probably idealistic though.

BeastfromtheNorthEast · 27/05/2021 21:26

Don't forget Johnson has the brass neck to blame the death toll on the care homes themselves last year

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/06/anger-after-johnson-appears-to-blame-care-homes-for-their-high-death-toll

Angry
MarshaBradyo · 27/05/2021 21:32

Diverse I agree. There are many quick to jump in with recommendations, hindsight and opinions but Health in a pandemic should have been shouldered by more than one. I suppose you might need someone ultimately accountable in the department but still, Hunt had suggestions constantly, much easier from sidelines.

jasjas1973 · 27/05/2021 21:39

@MarshaBradyo

Diverse I agree. There are many quick to jump in with recommendations, hindsight and opinions but Health in a pandemic should have been shouldered by more than one. I suppose you might need someone ultimately accountable in the department but still, Hunt had suggestions constantly, much easier from sidelines.
The dept of health is huge, advisors SAGE, collaboration with other departments....

I find it ridiculous that people think Hancock is all alone, he is in many respects a figure head, lets face it, he has no scientific or medical back ground, i doubt he even knew what a pandemic was pre January 2020, doubt any of us had any idea what it would mean to live through one.

Totally accept in March last year, we were all facing the unknown, so i m not that critical of him or the govt, its the decisions made from August onwards that shows they are unfit for office, they just haven't learnt.

MarshaBradyo · 27/05/2021 21:41

Jasjas yes he will have acted on advice. I meant to add that.

Tealightsandd · 27/05/2021 22:06

@peppermintpat

We should have shut the borders as soon as we became aware of what was happening. We are always too afraid of offending people. New Zealand did the right thing.
Yes. Boris didn't want to offend his airline chums.

New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, many African countries. All had the basic common sense to take action to protect the economy, lives, and long term health.

I remember my utter horrified shock when we didn't. We had the repatriation flights from Wuhan with proper quarantine (sort of - I remember the coach drivers weren't in PPE) but at the same time daily flights from other parts of China and then Italy - with no precautions against contagious disease taken. No checks or tests before or on arrival, no quarantine (straight from airport onto public transport).

Add to that the (still) limited official list of symptons for testing and isolation, the refusal to lockdown with continued large events like Cheltenham, and the recommendation against masks.

I knew by the end of February that things in the UK were going to be very very bad.

QioiioiioQ · 27/05/2021 22:09

Cummings has pulled back the curtain and what has been seen can never be unseen

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/05/2021 22:19

@DuncinToffee

Hancock just said his 'recollection' is that he told the truth about care home testing. That he commited to delivering the testing when they could.

Ian Dunt on twitter is an informative read.

It’s such a liar’s answer. He might have well have just said ‘yes I did lie’.
Blossomtoes · 27/05/2021 22:22

Oh please! Hancock has been an unmitigated disaster. And he’s lied and lied and lied. If he was too young and inexperienced for the job he should have been replaced. There was the not young and highly experienced Jeremy Hunt who would have taken over in an instant.

Nearly 130,000 deaths and excuses are still being made for this bunch of incompetent liars. We definitely get the politicians we deserve.

Tealightsandd · 27/05/2021 22:23

The ultimate responsibility lies with Hancock's boss.

Blossomtoes · 27/05/2021 22:26

@Tealightsandd

The ultimate responsibility lies with Hancock's boss.
Of course. Part of that responsibility is appointing the best person for the job.