Cummings evidence today

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Anyone listening?

Jeremy Hunt may have done better. It’s easier not under pressure commenting from sideline, but still maybe he would have - got good feedback like Sunak

The only thing Cummings has said is what many of use have said all along. It’s not hindsight.

It’s callous corruption. It’s ignoring expert advice. It’s contempt for the public. It is wilfully allowing many deaths to benefit your friends. It’s abuse of power.

Shocking that Johnson, Hancock, Raab and Sunak et al remain in post.

Hancock is also taken to court by the Good Law Project over PPE procurement.

@DuncinToffee

Hancock is also taken to court by the Good Law Project over PPE procurement.

I just looked that up. Will be interesting to see outcome

One point made that I thought good was having system for fast legal procurement in place when needed

@QioiioiioQ

Cummings has pulled back the curtain and what has been seen can never be unseen

Well he has but it's only confirmed what we so many of us already knew. Now he joins us in feeling exasperated and hopeless that nothing is done about the ineptitude. Meanwhile we continue having to listen to the Government propaganda machine bleat on about their world beating response. The worse thing is so many people don't care or expect anything above this shoddy, deceiptful governance.

@DuncinToffee

Hancock is also taken to court by the Good Law Project over PPE procurement.

Shocking (or perhaps not) how little media attention this seems to have got. I'm sure this used to be the sort of thing that would have made front pages.

@Saucery

There was a care home manager on here in March/April last year and what she said about the lack of PPE and the insistence of hospitals in sending care home residents home was chilling. I won’t namecheck her as I haven’t seen her around lately and maybe she doesn’t want it all dragged up again, but I hope she is ok. The odd news report got through too. Victoria MacDonald on Ch4 was visibly angry last night about the fact that they were trying to report the real situation while the falsehoods about ‘protective rings’ were being spouted by Hancock. Friends and family in care settings and the NHS were also frank about what was going on. To sit there and have that utter fantasy broadcast on repeat from the government was sickening.

Cummings is a self-serving, superior scumbag, but I believe him on this.

There was actually an Amnesty report released on this last year — “As if expendable, the U.K. government’s failure to protect older people in care homes during the Covid-19 pandemic.”

www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf

I was surprised at the time that it got no traction in the media. I read it all and cried several times.

Of course it matters what happens in Government as it affects each and everyone of us.

@MarshaBradyo

Jeremy Hunt may have done better. It’s easier not under pressure commenting from sideline, but still maybe he would have - got good feedback like Sunak

Lots of good people in the Tory ranks, unfortunately, Brexit made sure they either stayed on the back benches or left the party.

Hunt, Stewart, Grieve, Clarke... even May, all people with wide and varied experience.

Nightingales we’re not built at that point early on

@nannykatherine

Nightingales we’re not built at that point early on

Not sure of the point, no they weren’t built but the idea was being bounced around. A bit like thev’ send in the military’ messages.

All just propaganda for the gullible and Daily Express headlines. Meanwhile Johnson was holidaying, partying and avoiding COBRA.

Eat out to spread the death rate wasn’t rolled out until the peasants started revolting either.

Those suggesting a cross party health ministry (not sure how to word it) and more than one heading Department of Health forget that a) the Conservatives had a 80 seat majority and zero appetite to collaborate and b) internal Conservative divisions regarding Brexit meant that they couldn't/wouldn't share the limelight with less Brexity peers.

"Hunt, Stewart, Grieve, Clarke... even May, all people with wide and varied experience."
Agree they were a significant loss.

I do feel (and appreciate others won't) issues from Brexit have shaped the pandemic in the UK.

Cummings is as mad as a shithouse rat. But very entertaining.

I do feel (and appreciate others won't) issues from Brexit have shaped the pandemic in the UK.

Absolutely, the pandemic has been used in a very calculated way to cover up the disastrous effects of Brexit. The absolute cravings for power and wealth has corrupted our land. First past the post and boundary reforms make election of any other party very difficult too.

@QioiioiioQ

Cummings has pulled back the curtain and what has been seen can never be unseen

It is interesting how powerful it is to hear testimony from someone with first hand knowledge of what went on behind the scenes. A lot of the mistakes (esp care homes) are blindingly obvious, but to hear it confirmed in this way somehow makes it more real - sickeningly so. Like others, I do believe his evidence, essentially because most of the factual stuff has not been denied.

'The absolute cravings for power and wealth has corrupted our land. '

Oh stop being so dramatic. 'Corrupted our land' 🙄 .They a secured a no tariff free trade deal! It was not the disaster many people were flapping about.

The pandemic has been difficult for every single country. Scotland had a far higher proportion of care home deaths than England but Sturgeon doesn't have a bitter, arrogant employee sticking the boot in.

It was not the disaster many people were flapping about

It’s far too soon to tell whether it’s a disaster or not, particularly with a pandemic skewing its effects. Come back in ten years and tell us it’s not a disaster.

Blossomtoes
What other external issues, will skew the full effects of Brexit, good or bad, one thing I know for sure, any bad news will be blamed on Brexit any goods will be because of Brexit

Blossomtoes
At least your realistic to give it 10 years, after 40+ years of every change and updating of EU rule

'It’s far too soon to tell whether it’s a disaster or not, particularly with a pandemic skewing its effects Come back in ten years and tell us it’s not a disaster.'

We had thread after thread of people predicting high tariffs and businesses relocating to the EU, so yes early signs are positive. I voted remain but wouldn't again, having seen how the EU recent actions including triggering article 16
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55869476, trying to control vaccine distribution because they hadn't got their contracts sorted. Demonstrating we are better out of their corrupt organisation.

In 10 years time there will not be an EU.

@JaniieJones

'The absolute cravings for power and wealth has corrupted our land. '

Oh stop being so dramatic. 'Corrupted our land' 🙄 .They a secured a no tariff free trade deal! It was not the disaster many people were flapping about.

The pandemic has been difficult for every single country. Scotland had a far higher proportion of care home deaths than England but Sturgeon doesn't have a bitter, arrogant employee sticking the boot in.

No. The gave backhanded, untendered lucrative contracts to friends. They lie in parliament. They appoint through donations.

That free trade deal? Do explain how it’s better than what the EU have or better than we had with the EU.
Do explain fisheries benefits?
Do explain how it’s helped health and social care?
Do explain how it’s helped agriculture?

The messengers a bit of a shit but he only highlighted what many of us already knew. You only had to be sat in a London borough in Feb/ March 2020 when you and all your neighbours, some recently returned from skiiing in Italy) were coming down with a mystery illness and losing your sense of taste and smell, but still sending kids to school because it couldn’t be Covid. I personally locked down at the beginning of March especially as I had been in India in January where people were already getting prepared for the arrival of the virus that had my friends in Hong Kong already locked down. It was obvious what was going on. It wasn’t just London, my parents on’t moor also had Covid symptoms at the start of March, turned out the GPs went skiing and infected the whole village, there are still higher death rates in the affluent villages than the city they surround that has been locked down ever since. Needless deaths because it wasn’t just Boris who wanted a holiday, the whole civil service wanted their skiiing holiday....

Then again in London in the Autumn with school Covid cases going through the roof and the streets thronged with shoppers and revellers going up west and it was blindingly obvious that they should have locked down to contain the new variant and were still clinging on to not locking down in spite of all the evidence.

And the little narcissistic shit didn’t even mention that there were public labs in hospitals, universities and research institutes ready to scale up testing. Some did with charitable funding since none was coming from government, and made a massive contribution at a much earlier stage of the pandemic than Dido’s unprofessional the inefficient and unsafe Private sector venture . But no doubt Cummings wouldn’t want to draw attention to the fact that we wasted all that expertise in testing tracking and tracing in the public sector because he subscribes to the “private sector is always best” dogma.

I look forward to Sir Paul Nurse and all the other principled experts who acted with integrity and in the interests of our society , testifying to the public enquiry whenever that happens. It will tell us a lot more than Cummings little attention seeking rude.

He is only telling the half of it.

JaniieJones
" I voted remain but wouldn't again, having seen how the EU recent actions including triggering article 16"

It was a draft proposal to activate Article 16, the EU very quickly admitted it should not have happened and it was quickly corrected. Johnson has also mentioned triggering Article 16 on a number of occasions.

JaniieJones
Why it’s it with some people the EU can do no wrong, it will not hurt you to admit that they do get things wrong, but it does seem at times of crisis their true colours show and they don’t look good

No one is saying that the EU don't get things wrong sometimes.