I have a bad feeling that we're screwed

[MyFloorIsLava]

This Indian variant is a disaster. I had thought that, with cases so far down, and the vaccine roll out going so well, that things would be back to normal a bit soon. But cases are up, hospitalisations are up, and the hospital in Bolton has gone from having 13 covid patients to 33 in a week. They're discharging everyone possible to brace for an admissions surge. I could cry my fucking eyes out. DH was so ill from covid, FIL died from it, and the cost to everyone's mental health is incalculable - plus the economy surely can't survive another lockdown. Selfishly, it looks unlikely that my DD will get her birthday party. I'm so fed up with it all.

Vaccine take up in Bolton, Blackburn and Bedford.

Two of the places having surge testing in Hampshire at the moment are Hart and Rushmoor which are also on this list.

UK vaccination rates have been brilliant in many ages and many groups of people.
I understand that the information showed that most of the people in hospital had not been vaccinated (although they were offered it) with the exception of a very small number. So their own fault really.
So perhaps get yourself vaccinated (if not already) to give yourself a much better chance of reducing symptoms (or having none).

I really don't think we will have another lockdown over the whole country. Why should we. Maybe some local guidelines but if people if some areas cannot be bothered to be vaccinated/don't believe in vaccines etc or other reasons what can we do. We have to get on with earning a living and living our life's.

@ILoveAnOwl

A primary school here had to close today as they had so many positive cases. We're in the south west, not even a 'hot spot'. Sigh...

Wow where are you?

The news only talks about Bolton etc at present

@TokyoSushi

You need to remember that it's a pandemic, it was never going to be quick, it was never going to be easy, but it is going to be OK.

This exactly

Last October the Liverpool city region was in tier 3 and I felt like a leper living here. It's horrible. But yes I cancelled our holiday and yes we made do. Weather was crap too.

'It's miserable. But the right thing to do

Good news:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57214596

"Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs work against Indian variant - study"

@Viviennemary

Ive got a really bad feeling too. AZ vaccine only 60% effective against the new variant and yet they are letting people go off abroad so we'll be back to square one again. It was lack of any kind of holiday and airport restrictions in the first placd that caused the UK to suffer so badly.

You need to read further about the efficacy of the AZ vaccine.

@PlanetOfTheApesLives

UK vaccination rates have been brilliant in many ages and many groups of people. I understand that the information showed that most of the people in hospital had not been vaccinated (although they were offered it) with the exception of a very small number. So their own fault really. So perhaps get yourself vaccinated (if not already) to give yourself a much better chance of reducing symptoms (or having none).

I really don't think we will have another lockdown over the whole country. Why should we. Maybe some local guidelines but if people if some areas cannot be bothered to be vaccinated/don't believe in vaccines etc or other reasons what can we do. We have to get on with earning a living and living our life's.

Amazing this was posted immediately after a post which includes data showing the claim it is due to low vaccination take up is BOLLOCKS.

I’m not taking ‘one for the team’ ‘because it’s just the way it is’. Said every poster who doesn’t live in the north. I distinctly remember the CRUSH of Londoners leaving London in December on the train to get home to family for Christmas. The stations were packed. The Kent variant spreading among them and to the rest of the country with them. You didn’t take one for the team then did you. The Kent variant saw our local business closed & Christmas cancelled for a variant that had barely touched the north at that point. So if you look at it like that, how about the south lock down for us as well, like we did for you?

Hmmmm. 🙄

@PrincessNutNuts

Vaccine take up in Bolton, Blackburn and Bedford.

Two of the places having surge testing in Hampshire at the moment are Hart and Rushmoor which are also on this list.

Those relate to just one dose. We need 2. Also efficacy rises from about 3 weeks after jab 1.

Did Londoners really all rush to move out of London just before Christmas? Or was that just more MSM shenanigans? 🤔

Lowest number of cases, deaths and hospital admissions since before the first lockdown and we’re screwed? Words fail me.

Yes. They did.

www.scotsman.com/news/transport/coronavirus-christmas-watch-swathes-people-cram-london-station-ahead-new-lockdown-3073992

It isn't an individual's fault that they have only had part one of their vaccination course though, people have been getting vaccinated in Bolton etc when invited, in line with national average.

Yes we need two jabs due to the vaccine esacape issue, but if the bloody government hadn;t failed on borders - for the third time - we would have had a lot more time to get people vaccinated before having to confront another tricky situation.

Viruses mutate all the time. It's a known pattern, and absolutely nothing to get in a panic over. At some point, it will burn itself out like all other pandemics in history.

We'll get there, it's just not going to be a straight path.

Oh so The Scotsman is s not part of MSM then @NotBot ?

it will burn itself out like all other pandemics would be nice to avoid the 100million deaths though...

@ILoveAnOwl

A primary school here had to close today as they had so many positive cases. We're in the south west, not even a 'hot spot'. Sigh...

We are in an areas that has consistently had one of the lowest case rates natonally. 1 secondary school partially closed, 1 primary fully closed and one partially closed - and that's just the ones I know about through personal experience and contact - there will doubtless be more that I have no knowledge of.

@PurpleDaisies

My mood is not helped by all the people on other threads living in hotspots bragging that because it "guidance not law" they will be off on their half term holidays in the UK as planned.

The guidance on this has been absolutely all over the place (thank you once again, crappy government communications department). It’s pretty hard for people to take personal responsibility when the guidance wasn’t even announced and local directors of public health have been saying there are no travel restrictions.

Because it is only guidance, they’re unlikely to get a refund on any holidays they’ve booked.

Don’t blame the people. Blame the government.

What's the point of even trying to give guidance to many of the people who have ignored it all through in the places where the Indian variant is highest? Everyone living in these areas know the problem and the majority are suffering because of the selfishness of a minority.

[quote Poorlykitten]@bubblebath62636 this is lunacy. Jesus, where do you people get your ideas from?[/quote]
Believing everything they read/hear 🤣

[quote Calmdown14]For context, hospital numbers are just over 1,000. Earlier in the year they were 40k.
I like to look at the figures rather than read the hype. The numbers in the north west have gone up but are still low and seem to be dropping again.
We should be cautious but there's no need for panic.
This site is excellent for keeping your own eye on things and is updated daily
www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/[/quote]
Thank you for sharing that link, thats really helpful and easy to understand

Hmmm, I love MN on the coronavirus issue.

I haven't left the house in a month, but my DD8 brought me the coronavirus gift last week. I have a horrendous chest infection which I am hoping won't get worse. It is agony to cough.

I was due my second AZ jab on Monday. Can't have it now.

The science is clear, whilst there continues to be world travel, there will continue to be different variants, the vaccines are not designed specifically for newer variants and will need topping up.

It hasn't and won't go anywhere. The government know this. They don't care about individuals risks, only the economy and NHS infrastructure.

@junipertree2

Unfortunately, many of these cases will have arisen in people who rejected vaccination, or who are just too young to have received both doses. And they do seem prevalent in areas with large South Asian populations, where more people have been arriving back from India and where we know uptake has been lower.

The JVine show the other day had an interesting graphic relating vaccine uptake in Bolton to prevalence of the Indian variant - the evidence is pretty clear.

Had so many people not travelled to South Asia earlier in the year we wouldn't have been in this position, they thought of nothing but themselves and are now expecting everyone else to suffer the consequences. All flights from there should have been stopped and if people were stranded, tough. For ten who cheered such a decision there would have been twenty bleating.

@Bluntness100

Really? Is this sarcastic? Are you ok? It’s clearly not a disaster. In fact we are in a fantastic position.

Are you on something, Bluntness100 ? We're in a dreadful position! And it's once again gradually worsening.

Some people have a very strange idea of a dreadful position