Even IF everyone has jab we'll still be doomed?

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OK hear me out.
My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness.
If so, great.
But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work?
People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!
I think people think this as about death. It is but it's also about supply chain of services and goods so obviously you don't want lots of people even sick at same time with a 'mild' case.

I also think that any any benefits from the jab will be to some extent negated by people having the - frankly idiotic- view that now they're doubly vaxxed they can do what they like and go back to pre-pandemic behaviour. Which IMO is both selfish and stupid. Heard some guy say 'I've had my jab.'
I've observed that people are not sanitising hands so often and making less effort to distance.
Am I wrong?

Yes. I have just had Covid having been double vaxxed and it is literally just a cold. In fact I have had worse colds. I was off work but only because I had to self isolate, not because I was too unwell to work.
If this is what the vaccine turns it into it’s fine.
Obviously I don’t know how unwell I would’ve been without the vaccine but it’s a good sign.

2 doses of Pfizer stops 88% of symptomatic cases against the Indian variant. I’d hardly call that doomed.

It doesn't only prevent serious illness

It reduced transmission too

Please remember not everyone who gets Covid gets it badly! Many have it asymptomatically. So if you have been fully vaccinated the chances of you getting any symptoms must be vanishingly small. I'd be more worried about an asteroid, if I were you.

Well we’ll know in a couple of weeks, I reckon.

This weekend saw mass movement within the U.K. pubs, restaurants, cafes were packed. People visited family and hotels were full.

Most city centres saw mass rallies for Palestine. Football grounds accepted 10,000 fans.

If this doesn’t result in a level of cases that proves problematic, then it should be okay. The vaccines must be doing enough.

I think you're wrong, although vaccines are not the entire fix - we do need to try to avoid importing bad variants and also keep case circulation low to avoid growing our own variants.

But vaccines should hopefully a massive difference in an ongoing way.

!?

I mean, while we're at it why don't we all just never go out again? Can't risk people getting colds, tummy bugs, anything. You do realise that for most people a mild case of Covid is just that. Very mild...if it's much worse then its not mild covid is it...and that's what the vaccine is preventing!

We now know that constant hand washing is less important than we thought and what we should be doing is opening windows, so it’s not unreasonable that people aren’t sanitising as often.

It reduces all categories - asymptomatic infection, symptomatic illness, severe illness, hospitalisation, death - and transmission. The last one is key, because it has a major impact on how likely the virus is to spread.

I think you are worrying unnecessarily - once we have given both vaccines to everyone who is willing and able to have it, we should have something like 90% cover. A proportion of the rest will have immunity through having been infected. Although there will still be several million people on the country who are susceptible, the majority of their contacts will not be able to pass the virus on to them.

So, cases will rumble along at a low level and there will be sporadic outbreaks. But for the most part, we’ll be fine. Even without much social distancing.

Covid is just another virus we need to learn to live with. Just as we live with the Flu, which kills people every year.

People need to stop 'panicking' about every variant.

Vaccine do work and it is the one of the reason we can get beck to a normal life. We can't continue as we are now, we can't afford to for a start as a country.

If you don't want to have a vaccine then don't, but then don't moan and whinged if you are stopped form travelling or going into places.

Of course you’re wrong! A mild case doesn’t lay you low for weeks. I know people who thought they had a cold and one whose only symptom was losing her sense of smell.

OK. Looks like I'm wrong.

Also where do you get the idea that most mild cases are still awful?

I know loads who’ve had it - I have two student children who have had it plus all their mates. In mine and DH’s industries (TV and football respectively) we’ve had to test constantly.
Plus it went through my extended family.

Without any vaccinations, the majority had NO symptoms (and were a bit shocked they’d got it) or a sore throat and loss of smell and taste.

Two were bedridden including one who had to go to hospital (73 years old).
One death (almost 90).

Hopefully with vaccinations the death would not have occurred (although the poor fella was not on a good state Covid or otherwise).

Oh FFS should be be terrified of catching colds too? 😂

I had a mild case and felt no worse than when I've had bad colds in the past. Slightly different symptoms but it was over in 2 weeks. Zero long term effects.

A mild case is mild. Where have you gotten the idea that this isn't the case?

I had a mild case and, but for having been tested, I wouldn't have known. I tested because the Covid app told me to, but I didn't have a cough or lose my sense of smell. DH had a cough which went on for a bit, but he's definitely had worse.

If that's all that people can expect, we certainly aren't doomed.

90% of people are asymptomatic.
After 2 doses of vaccine you are 81% or 60% protected from any symptom and likely much higher for serious illness. stop being a bloody doom monger. It's getting tiring now.

Be fair to the op, she has read the answers and said she was wrong.
I wish all ops of doomy threads did that!
It’s not wrong to post for reassurance if you are worried.

Most people I know that had it didn't even get a fever. Worse thing was loss of taste for a few days, bit tired. No cough . And this was before they were vaccinated.

I think the pessimism is self fulfilling in a way , I worry we aren't going to get back normal . Some countries in the Far East were back to near normal after one lockdown with masks for public transport , no social distancing here it's never ending.

So do you expect everyone to social distance forevermore? Won't happen.

Friend if mine had the Indian variant. Her son was sent home from school with a slight temperature a couple of hours after he had her 1st jab. Booked him in for a test and she had 1 too even though she thought her slight tiredness was a mild side effect if the jab. They were both positive. She has several horses she keeps at home and 2 days later she was riding them in her arena and practising dressage tests. Her son had had worse mild colds.

OK so a number of your underlying assumptions are incorrect, so the conclusions you’ve drawn are wrong.

My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness.

No. They (not ‘this vaccine’, there are a few now) are all exceptionally good at preventing serious illness and death. They range from ‘pretty good’ to ‘very good’ at preventing mild illness. They reduce transmission by a significant amount.

If you search for John Burns-Murdoch on Twitter he has some great graphs showing vaccine impact (mostly only over-60s have had two doses) against cases being driven by the Indian variant in Bolton.