Even IF everyone has jab we'll still be doomed?

[Larkstongues]

OK hear me out.
My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness.
If so, great.
But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work?
People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!
I think people think this as about death. It is but it's also about supply chain of services and goods so obviously you don't want lots of people even sick at same time with a 'mild' case.

I also think that any any benefits from the jab will be to some extent negated by people having the - frankly idiotic- view that now they're doubly vaxxed they can do what they like and go back to pre-pandemic behaviour. Which IMO is both selfish and stupid. Heard some guy say 'I've had my jab.'
I've observed that people are not sanitising hands so often and making less effort to distance.
Am I wrong?

Well they don't know for sure, but then they don't know for sure how effective the vaccines are either against different variants. It's all guess work.

But as someone who has had covid twice and has had the proper antibody test, mine has shown I have none. My natural immunity did not last 8 months.

The virologist did say 10 months quite clearly.

@Tootsey11

Well they don't know for sure, but then they don't know for sure how effective the vaccines are either against different variants. It's all guess work.

But as someone who has had covid twice and has had the proper antibody test, mine has shown I have none. My natural immunity did not last 8 months.

If it's 'guess work' why did you say it was 'stated'?

And natural immunity is very different from the immunity provided by vaccines.

T-cells are much longer lasting than antibodies. See SARS.

T-cells are our first line of defence. You could even fight off Covid with t-cells and produce no antibodies. Doesn’t mean you don’t have immunity.

There is no scientist who can say for sure ‘vaccine immunity will only last 10 months’ they don’t know yet.

It’s about 11 months since the first vaccines were given in trials, isn’t it? So 10 months since the 2nd jab. Are you sure they didn’t say something like “We can only be sure that immunity lasts 10 months”?

I've read that the immunity MIGHT decrease gradually over time, like with other vaccines. It is not expected to suddenly 'run-out' at the stroke of midnight and we all drop of the perch! Try not to worry.

People have time off of work for various reasons OP. We have to try it’s better than nothing!

You can get a mild/severe case of anything..

Fgs, he did say 10 months.

I'm saying it's guess work.

Surely they have done testing, anti body and t cell on those who had cv right back at the start, but then they probably have had their vaccines.

I don't know, I ain't an expert, I'm just saying what he said.

I'm sure all the under fifties would like to know how long immunity is after the vaccine as they are going to be no extra jabs for them.

Long Covid does not affect a “relatively small number” of people. The post viral symptoms affect a much higher % than flu for example.

That’s not to say I think the country should stay shuttered up, but you don’t hear of the risks of long Covid factored into discussions about risks and benefits. In fact people often talk about it being either a mild condition nothing to worry about, or lethal if you’re vulnerable. But many people are having long lasting affects, unable to work etc, over a year after mild infections. This has personal and economic considerations too.

And we don’t yet know whether the vaccine, when reducing severity of infections, also reduces the risk of long Covid . I have been vaccinated and it did not help me recover, same for DH. There are reports of that happening for some, but by no means “most”.

The idea isn't to make everyone invulnerable to it. Just for most of us to have a pretty good defence against the worst of it.

Same as many other medicines and vaccines.

It is not going away any tome oon. We are all being offered the chance to reduce transmission to others and the likelihood of being laid very low by it.

And boosters have always been on the cards, hence the current timescale for the initial rollout. It was a toss up between waiting for a more data and/or a better vaccine and going ahead with one that was safe enough and good enough - which has turned out to be safer and better than initial tests, regardless of what the headlines scream.

When people say 'people are sacred of being ill' that is such a 1st world response - and quite a new one at that. In my lifetime many illnesses have been deadly here in the uK. Across the wolrd that is even more true. We live in an amazingly medically priviliged time and place. And still some grumble about things not being 100% sfae/effective/known. Just as some moaned about the timescale - too quick or too slow. Finding fault in both!

Can you share what radio station it was and what time? I’d be keen to know who it is.

I’d be very surprised if they had reliable data across the vaccine types that show definite drop off to ineffective level after 10 months, simply because the vaccines haven’t been around for long.

I think the issue here will be people having to isolate. I’m a lecturer, and we have already been told we will have blended learning next AY. Illness is always a massive pain in terms of covering for people who are sick because we are down to the wire in terms of teaching staff, so having people (and whole classes of students!) out for ten days could be a disaster. Generally people work on if they are unwell so as not to cause disruption, so it will be interesting to see how/if the culture shifts.

We are very lucky that we are able to work remotely/get full sick pay, I know.

So, OP, you admitted you were wrong but have now changed your mind?

And remember 30% of cases are asymptomatic.

I am in a research study which involves regular antibody testing, so I have discovered that within approximately a four month period I have had Covid. This came as a complete surprise to me as I experienced no symptoms at all.

I understand the point you are making OP, but we have to try it - what alternative is there? If it turns out that people are dropping like flies due to mild illness and the country is grinding to a halt, then we’ll have to think of something else.

@thebestnamehere

YABVU A dose of Covid is like a cold. It won't kill you or disable you. No way will you be in bed for weeks - a couple of days off work maybe.

Stop scaremongering 🙁

18 months or so in and people are still saying "it's just a cold!" COVID is not a cold; COVID is not like the flu. It may have felt like that for you (if you've had it) but it isn't a cold. It is a virus that involves many body systems - including the respiratory tract, the circulatory system, and the neurological system.