Even IF everyone has jab we'll still be doomed?

[Larkstongues]

OK hear me out.
My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness.
If so, great.
But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work?
People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!
I think people think this as about death. It is but it's also about supply chain of services and goods so obviously you don't want lots of people even sick at same time with a 'mild' case.

I also think that any any benefits from the jab will be to some extent negated by people having the - frankly idiotic- view that now they're doubly vaxxed they can do what they like and go back to pre-pandemic behaviour. Which IMO is both selfish and stupid. Heard some guy say 'I've had my jab.'
I've observed that people are not sanitising hands so often and making less effort to distance.
Am I wrong?

Yes you're wrong. Mild cases are often no worse than a cold, and lots have no symptoms at all. Are we going to lockdown forever to stop people getting colds? How ridiculous.

"People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!"

This is a sweeping statement- 'is' needs to be replaced with 'can be'. I know plenty of people who were only very mildly unwell for a day or 2, including a man well into his 80s who has lots of health problems. And then of course the people who have had it without knowing.

And yet we’re all still here - going to work, getting our hair cut, starting to eat out again, going in to shops, starting to book holidays....

@Larkstongues

OK hear me out. My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness. If so, great. But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work? People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful! I think people think this as about death. It is but it's also about supply chain of services and goods so obviously you don't want lots of people even sick at same time with a 'mild' case.

I also think that any any benefits from the jab will be to some extent negated by people having the - frankly idiotic- view that now they're doubly vaxxed they can do what they like and go back to pre-pandemic behaviour. Which IMO is both selfish and stupid. Heard some guy say 'I've had my jab.'
I've observed that people are not sanitising hands so often and making less effort to distance.
Am I wrong?

Jesus get a grip

The virus also prevents transmission and symptomatic illlness so there will be less people infected and less people for the virus to be able to infect.

Agreed, the problem will soon not be covid but work and services

People will isolate and loose money -not a massive problem for some, but makes the company short staffed-

Or people won’t afford to isolate so will have to go in and pretend they don’t have it, so spread it more

and the cycle repeats.

We need to give more than £500 to those who are poor as it’s not enough to pay bills

And yes the reasons people have had the jab is because they want to get back to pre pandemic life. Hardly selfish or stupid after 15 months of bollocks is it?

So they can isolate

I think there was quite a lot of discussion at the start of the pandemic that mild illness in this situation can often mean “very unwell, but not requiring hospital treatment”, rather than a couple of days of coughing and feeling a bit ropey. Obviously there will be huge variations across the population based on a massive range of factors, including their own perception of illness, which is difficult to assess objectively.

If everyone was physically distant from everyone else, forever, then we’d have a lot less illness. But it’s not practical or feasible.

Ffs people, op admitted clearly at 07.57 she was wrong!

A few thoughts on “mild illness.”

Early on, the medics were using “mild” to mean “does not require hospital treatment.” So yes, there were some people with mild illness who were what the lay person would consider very ill, as in persistent high fever, severe aches, unable to get out of bed etc. In some cases for weeks.

There were many more like myself - irritating cough and very tired for a couple of weeks, but still showered and dressed every day - just not a lot of energy. But fully recovered.

And there are many, many more who had a day or two of a sore throat or felt a bit off, and then bounced back.

So, it’s on a spectrum, with a large majority being towards the milder end. However, it is impossible to predict with certainty who will be mild and who severe. We can identify the risk factors, and we know that the severe cases are more likely to be older, obese and have other conditions. BUT there are some people like that who sail through with barely a sniffle, and other fit young people who end up in ITU. And there are some people whose symptoms persist for months, and some who have permanent organ damage.

So, unless we manage to eradicate it altogether, there are always going to be some cases, and a tiny proportion will be severe or result in long term debility. But at the population level - not enough to cripple society.

The main new ongoing impact will be the requirement to self-isolate for 10 days if you test positive. However, thanks to the vaccines and the resulting herd immunity, that is unlikely to be large swathes of the workforce at any one time.

We still have to work out how to support the hundreds of thousands with long Covid, and pay for the cost of testing, vaccinations, furlough, support to businesses etc. That will be with us for decades in the form of higher taxes. Got to be.

Utterly wrong.
To add to all the above;
My son had Covid and did not know (pre vaccination) His GF had Covid and was vaguely poorly ( also pre vaccinations)
The scientists and medicos know what they’re doing.
Scaremongering helps no one.

Please see a doctor, such doom mongering isn't normal.

A frail elderly neighbour of ours contracted Covid in hospital, having been admitted for something else. At the time of admission he’d had just one AZ jab.
He was completely asymptomatic.

That's what I'm getting at: mild does not necessarily mean you sail through it.

I think most people do think that, though. And if everyone starts behaving as if they're invincible then even if don't require hospital treatment they'll still get sick and off work thus disrupting supply chain.
Because it's not 'only' about getting seriously ill.
If I was correct, and the vaccine ONLY prevented serious illness then this would be the case but, as others have pointed ut, it's not 'only' serious illness it's effective against so case closed!

But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work?
People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!

A mild case can be unpleasant and lay you off for weeks, but for the majority this is not the case. Everyone I know with covid had a cold for a few days, or not even that, and then was fine. And remember 30% of cases are asymptomatic. The vaccine does also reduce mild symptoms, it doesn't "only" prevent death.

I don't think 'unpleasant' is enough to keep the country closed.

I have had worse colds than covid (pre vaccine). Infact I was starving the whole time. My DS had a sore throat only. It is not the case that all mild cases are awful.

I don't think the supply chain is going to collapse. Has that even happened anywhere? Surely that would only happen if whole sectors get it at the same time. It has been rife at my DPs huge factory (where we caught it from). Cases nearly every day since last may. It took us til march this year to finally catch it. The whole country won't go down at once.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

Please see a doctor, such doom mongering isn't normal.

Two things: The OP said ages ago (7.57) that actually yes, she had misunderstood.

What sort of illness are you implying she has, that needs a Dr involvement?

Yes, unpleasant IS enough to keep country closed if everybody gets sick enough at same time to warrant a week off work!

This isn't ALL about hospitalisation and death.

If ten truck drivers for the same company get 'just' the flu then that causes massive disruption.

But as others have pointed out, vaccines don't only prevent serious covid so it's a moot point.

But the idea that oh well nobody gets seriously sick let's get back to normal is stupid.
That's all.

Because it's not 'only' about getting seriously ill.

It kind of is though. There are lots of potentially nasty contagious illnesses out there. Covid is, or hopefully soon will be, just another of those. The aim was never to ensure that nobody gets Covid ever, just that the NHS does not become overwhelmed. I think some people have lost sight of that.

I imagined that now hospitals are no longer overwhelmed, they will have changed the definition of mild to mean what the layperson would refer to as mild. But this is merely supposition.

You can’t close everything and tank the economy forever in case quite a few people catch a cold at a similar time!
Just think about what you’re actually saying. No education, no jobs, no income, no routine medical care etc. In case people catch cold.
Some elderly and infirm people might even die of said cold, but staying at home won’t cure death.

YABVU
A dose of Covid is like a cold. It won't kill you or disable you. No way will you be in bed for weeks - a couple of days off work maybe.

Stop scaremongering 🙁

@Larkstongues

Yes, unpleasant IS enough to keep country closed if everybody gets sick enough at same time to warrant a week off work!

This isn't ALL about hospitalisation and death.

If ten truck drivers for the same company get 'just' the flu then that causes massive disruption.

But as others have pointed out, vaccines don't only prevent serious covid so it's a moot point.

But the idea that oh well nobody gets seriously sick let's get back to normal is stupid.
That's all.

That's the same for other illnesses like flu or norovirus.

I mean, what do you want us to do then? I don't mean that aggressively, I'm just interested. We live with flu and colds. I've had 2 horrendous viruses in my life where it took me weeks to feel ok again. This is going to settle into a winter virus where people do get it and feel crappy but we can't shut down society on that basis. And so many will only feel mildly ill or have no symptoms. We can't afford to shut down life over this both financially but for mental health reasons either.

There are no guarantees in life when it comes to health and we've survived many thousands of years living with all sorts of other crappy illnesses. There is no reality where we all just get to be well and healthy and never feel ill.