Even IF everyone has jab we'll still be doomed?

[Larkstongues]

OK hear me out.
My understanding of this vaccine is that it prevents serious illness.
If so, great.
But given that a so-called mild case is still unpleasant and lay you low for weeks, surely there'll still be people off work?
People have no understanding that a mild case of covid is still pretty awful!
I think people think this as about death. It is but it's also about supply chain of services and goods so obviously you don't want lots of people even sick at same time with a 'mild' case.

I also think that any any benefits from the jab will be to some extent negated by people having the - frankly idiotic- view that now they're doubly vaxxed they can do what they like and go back to pre-pandemic behaviour. Which IMO is both selfish and stupid. Heard some guy say 'I've had my jab.'
I've observed that people are not sanitising hands so often and making less effort to distance.
Am I wrong?

I’m someone who had mild covid 7 months ago (felt a bit fluey but able to potter about the house, not bedridden) but 7 months later I still have ongoing symptoms of severe fatigue, joint pain and swelling, stiffness and muscle aches. I’m currently in bed because the school run has floored me. My husband had it just as I did and is still signed off work so we are reduced to my income and I can only manage 60%.
Mild covid can lead to debilitating long term illness and it’s not known what sort of protection against long covid the vaccination programme has.

It might be a bit more disruptive during the winter when all the other viruses currently surpresses by distancing make a comeback. Mild covid on top of another winter infecton might be a bit harder to brush off (not doom-mongering just sharing an uneducated thought!).

^thebestnamehere

YABVU
A dose of Covid is like a cold. It won't kill you or disable you. No way will you be in bed for weeks - a couple of days off work maybe.

Stop scaremongering^

Well it has disabled me and my husband and killed thousands . You are wrong

My mild case was very mild. It amounted to about half a day feeling tired and ropey followed by complete recovery by the next day apart from loss of smell which lasted a few months.

Yes and even if we are vaccinated or not worried about the severity or our own safety, we still need to avoid catching/ spreading it if possible.

This is partly because of the risk of mutations. Every time the virus jumps to another body, gives it a chance to mutate into something else, which may become more resistant to vaccines.

Mild covid can lead to debilitating long term illness and it’s not known what sort of protection against long covid the vaccination programme has.

All viral illnesses can cause post-viral syndrome. Although given that Covid has only been around for under 2 years, I'm not sure we can use the phrase 'long-term' just yet.

We can't shut down society to prevent a relatively small number of people getting one more form of post-viral syndrome.

But the idea that oh well nobody gets seriously sick let's get back to normal is stupid.

The idea that we should not get back to normal once there is no longer a risk of the NHS being overwhelmed is stupid.

@nancywhitehead

Yes and even if we are vaccinated or not worried about the severity or our own safety, we still need to avoid catching/ spreading it if possible.

This is partly because of the risk of mutations. Every time the virus jumps to another body, gives it a chance to mutate into something else, which may become more resistant to vaccines.

Just to add to this - I wouldn't jump to saying we are "doomed" - that's a bit extreme. But we do need to carry on being careful and vigilant.

Yes it sucks but this is the reality of it and we all need to do our bit to try and keep it under control and prevent things getting worse in the future, as much as possible.

So you think we should keep social distancing forever then?

And as for the “supply chain” being disrupted for illness, that’s nonsense. All businesses have a business continuation plan which will have been updated to include covid outbreaks. Ours certainly has cos I wrote it. Back up plans for the scenario you
mention (ten drivers sick) include, but are not limited to, getting agency drivers in and using a third party haulage companies.

We're all DOOMED

@Larkstongues have a for such a ridiculous thread

I’m a retail manager

Isolating is what’s causing us disruption. We’ve worked with the public all the way through and only 1 employee out of about 70 has had covid

But many have had to isolate. Increased footfall and demand for stock ( which we have to get into shelves ourselves) means we are inevitably short staffed

Customers shout/rant/abuse us so throw in a few more off with stress or just leaving. No time to induct new people or even interview....too busy restocking and filling in for people off work!

@DottyWott

^thebestnamehere

YABVU
A dose of Covid is like a cold. It won't kill you or disable you. No way will you be in bed for weeks - a couple of days off work maybe.

Stop scaremongering^

Well it has disabled me and my husband and killed thousands . You are wrong

Sorry to hear that, but for the sake of balance was that after you, your husband and those many thousand who died as well as many millions had been vaccinated?

Also early figures show that lingering symptoms after covid are being helped by the vaccine in most cases. It's shit to have ongoing problems (I hope that eases for you Dotty) but there's lots of reasons why that can't be factored into how we open up.

Someone might only have very mild symptoms and feel they can push through it, but they are still required to self isolate... and that is what causes disruptions to services.

I do wonder when a sniffle will just be a sniffle, and not mean you have to get a PCR test done, and have your whole household stay at home whilst you wait on the results. At some point, we will have to stop testing/isolating and just get on with life.

Insane thread.

It’s like people have forgotten there are many diseases out there. Lots will make you feel worse than Covid, especially once you’re vaccinated.

OP, feel free to lock yourself away forever. I’m still able to make sensible risk assessments and want ALL my rights back

@Larkstongues

Yes, unpleasant IS enough to keep country closed if everybody gets sick enough at same time to warrant a week off work!

This isn't ALL about hospitalisation and death.

If ten truck drivers for the same company get 'just' the flu then that causes massive disruption.

But as others have pointed out, vaccines don't only prevent serious covid so it's a moot point.

But the idea that oh well nobody gets seriously sick let's get back to normal is stupid.
That's all.

What really confuses me about posts like this is that you have actually lived through a massively disruptive year, with millions ill and thousands dying and many many workers self isolating and on furlough. So you've seen first hand what happens when things are majorly fucked up - it's annoying but the whole world doesn't collapse. So where are you getting the idea that once we're vaccinated ie even fewer people are getting ill, that things will get worse??? How does that work??

Are you suggesting that because humans spread illnesses and get sick (with colds, stomach bugs, bacterial infections, viruses etc, not just covid) we should all hide away for fear that somehow there'll be a collapse in the 'supply chain'?

It’s like people have forgotten there are many diseases out there

I really think people have! Apparently "unpleasant" is enough to warrant keeping a country locked down. Utter madness.

There are a group of people who are so blinded by fear that they expect to be kept "safe" from anything and everything, and never mind who has to suffer to keep them "safe".

@CrunchyCarrot

Please remember not everyone who gets Covid gets it badly! Many have it asymptomatically. So if you have been fully vaccinated the chances of you getting any symptoms must be vanishingly small. I'd be more worried about an asteroid, if I were you.

Wait. What’s this about an asteroid?

The mental health fallout from this will be huge.

People are genuinely scared of being ill now. Unpleasant is nothing. Illness and disease are part and parcel of life. Flu is awful. Pneumonia is awful. Etc etc.

@CrunchyCarrot

You can get OTC cream from the chemist for your asteroids

ItsCokeFFS love it!

A 'mild' case for me was 3 months in bed and now 10 months of continuing symptoms. Op, you are not wrong as such, a mild case can be terrible, and no one knows how much it really will affect them.

As for vaccines, listening to the radio this morning, it was stated that they will only give about 10 months maybe less immunity. As the over 50's will get their booster that leaves everyone under 50 with just the 10 months protection. What happens then to those people.

As for vaccines, listening to the radio this morning, it was stated that they will only give about 10 months maybe less immunity.

I very much doubt it was 'stated'. Much more likely it was speculated.

They won’t have ‘stated’ that.

It’s only because they don’t have the data yet. That’s not the same thing. They can’t say immunity will last 10 years as the vaccines have only been around since Jan...

T-cells from SARS lasted 17 years. You can argue ‘only 17 years’ but that because that’s where the timeline takes us too. Could well be lifelong immunity.