Take the vaccine or not

[crazemaze]

I have been invited to have my vaccine 2 months earlier than I should have been called.

However, I am feeling very conflicted and stuck on my decision to take it or not. I am a young female in her mid 20's and one side I am like do I want to inject something that is not fully tested and long term effects are not known , and the other side I am like everyone is taking it and I should take it also.

Give your views pls

OP I work with someone in their 20s who caught covid 7 weeks ago, young, healthy, no underlying issues and they are still off work with long covid symptoms. Death from this disease doesn't concern me as the risks are small, but long covid symptoms are definitely a concern.

My next question - if I do go ahead and take it. Which one do I take ? There are a few options and I am not sure. I have heads the Pfizer is somewhat popular

You get whatever the vaccination centre are using on the day.

@crazemaze

My next question - if I do go ahead and take it. Which one do I take ? There are a few options and I am not sure. I have heads the Pfizer is somewhat popular

you'll be offered one of the mRNA vaccines (pfizer or moderna) due to your age. Both have become more "in-demand" over astrazeneca due to the (miniscule) chance of a CVST associated with the AZ vaccine.

personally there's nothing in terms of efficacy/side effects that would make me prefer one over the other regarding pfizer or moderna

Most vaccines or other drugs take years because they don’t have the funding. So much was thrown at these vaccines that they had the ability to get them through and produce then quickly.

The technology for all the vaccines was already being worked on, so it’s not entirely an unknown quantity.

You are very unlikely to be able to travel without a vaccine.

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]@crazemaze

It is your right to have the vaccine or not have it

I could spend a long time writing out a reassuring detailed post on the benefits of being vaccinated over not being vaccinated, how the testing process was robust and in line with previous vaccines, and why the risk of long term side effects is miniscule

But comments like this
I just have worries like a lot of people and its my right to feel this way, I am not going to follow a trend because everyone says so! Were not lab rats that's all.

make me think it wouldn't make a difference?[/quote]
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just have worries like a lot of people and its my right to feel this way, I am not going to follow a trend because everyone says so! Were not lab rats that's all.
Than why post if nothing anyone says is going to change your mind!

I don't know why you're posting US links on a mostly UK site, it's a bit confusing for people because there are different approval mechanisms and processes for different countries.

Pfizer's approval in the UK: www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-medicines-regulator-gives-approval-for-first-uk-covid-19-vaccine.

Moderna's approval in the UK: www.gov.uk/government/news/moderna-vaccine-becomes-third-covid-19-vaccine-approved-by-uk-regulator.

Vaccines take years to come out

that is generally true, no disputing. I gather Mumps came out in 4 yrs & that was exceptionally fast (1960s?). Most of this time is spent convincing someone to give you money to spend on the project, and employing a small number of people to do a lot of work.

and years of testing

Ah, there, one can dispute. I suspect Jo Public thinks that the vaccine plan is announced & a zillion magic laboratory explorations & things happen...

COVID reality Scientists had the genome by early January 2020 so could formulate a vaccine that seemed to work within weeks after WHO recognised there was a crisis brewing.

followed by zillion cell tests are undertaken. That scientists then watch these cells for all the rest of the years for any problems.

Reality Standard procedure is to only watch cell reactions for a few weeks; the modern methods are facilitated by computer models.

Then (Jo Public reckons) a zillion tests on animals, and scientists monitor the animals for yrs afterwards.

Reality only need a few weeks of data on animals: this is standard not special covid procedure

Then a few human volunteers... and scientists monitor the humans for yrs.

Reality only need a few weeks of monitoring the initial volunteers: : this is standard not special covid procedure

Then finally lots of human volunteers & years of monitoring afterwards.

Reality: only expect to monitor for about 6 months -- this is standard not special covid procedure

Some monitoring may continue, but fundamentally, if the jab looks good after 6 months & the jab is badly needed, it will accelerate into being given to people immediately. Look at how fast the Ebola vaccine got into real people. Anyway, no amount of years of monitoring in clinical trials can catch raised risk for the extremely rare side effects (like 1/250,000 blood clots).

The covid jabs on offer are as safety tested as any vaccine can be. They each had their ~6 months like the others.

@Lala134 for most the vaccine is of little benefit for them unless you are over 80 with multiple health issues
Why are you lying to people? Vaccines stop people from getting covid-19 that can make a high proportion of people very unwell and kill a proportion of people. A higher proportion of elderly dying doesn't make those who've died at younger ages less dead.

[quote MRex]I don't know why you're posting US links on a mostly UK site, it's a bit confusing for people because there are different approval mechanisms and processes for different countries.

Pfizer's approval in the UK: www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-medicines-regulator-gives-approval-for-first-uk-covid-19-vaccine.

Moderna's approval in the UK: www.gov.uk/government/news/moderna-vaccine-becomes-third-covid-19-vaccine-approved-by-uk-regulator.[/quote]
yeah thanks for proving my point with that UK link... They explain there if you bother to read it that these are 'emergency' approved as 'The decision to approve the supply of this vaccine was taken under Regulation 174 of the Human Medicine Regulations 2012, which enables rapid temporary regulatory approvals to address significant public health issues such as a pandemic'
This is totally different to regular approval so stop trying to be deceptive and calling it something that it is not. It is only 'emergency' approved, it is not fully approved like all other vaccines that also have the benefit of decades of safety data, these are new technology that have had disasterous results in the past and have only 7 months of safety data.
Covid has a 0.002% chance of killing me so I wont be getting one and the amount of coersion to do so is scary. I do not want never ending booster shots for a disease that poses little risk to me and it does not stop it spreading so no you cant call me 'selfish' after I have spent a year in my house to protect the vulnerable group that made up 99% of the deaths who are now all fully vaccinated. I will take my chances with the virus and natural immunity is always better and apparently is long lasting according to recent studies www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
I also will not be vaccinated for herd immunity as this is very unlikely to be achievable globally and also not achievable with a coronavirus
www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html

[quote MRex]**@Lala134* for most the vaccine is of little benefit for them unless you are over 80 with multiple health issues*
Why are you lying to people? Vaccines stop people from getting covid-19 that can make a high proportion of people very unwell and kill a proportion of people. A higher proportion of elderly dying doesn't make those who've died at younger ages less dead.[/quote]
LOL what? It is common knowledge that the vaccines do NOT stop you getting covid they just lower the vaccinated persons chance of serious illness, so you maybe should read about it first... Thanks

The MHRA is the regulator, they have given approval for use.

Vaccines reduce symptomatic covid, asymptomatic vivid and transmission. You can't have missed the hundreds of headlines about the research, so you're just lying to people, what a weird way to behave. If you don't want a vaccine, don't have one, but roaming the internet lying to people in other countries is ridiculous.

did you not hear this confirmed from SAGE? They expect in the next wave 60-70% of the admissions will be vaccinated adults.
Well given that most over 18s will be vaccinated or at least offered the vaccine this stands to reason really. No vaccine is 100% effective. There will be dome unfortunate people who don't get a strong immune response.
Although funnily enough in our area cases I the last few weeks among the over 60s are zero.

@MRex

The MHRA is the regulator, they have given approval for use.

Vaccines reduce symptomatic covid, asymptomatic vivid and transmission. You can't have missed the hundreds of headlines about the research, so you're just lying to people, what a weird way to behave. If you don't want a vaccine, don't have one, but roaming the internet lying to people in other countries is ridiculous.

Lie about what? Sure they may reduce but by how much? Please explain why a vaccine passport would work for something that you can still transmit the disease? They have never been tested for how much reduction in transmission in the trials so it is unkown but looking at the example I gave above where out of 28 infections 19 were fully vaccinated does not inspire confidence. The fact that the CDC are now no longer recording what they call 'breakaway cases' of fully vaccinated people catching the virus and only recording those that end up in hospital or dead despite being fully vaccinated is not strange to you, yet is recording all cases in unvaccinated adults? Is that the scientific way to go about things or is it intentionally to hide and skew information? Are you happy that in the Pfizer trial for children they only tested it on 1000 kids? Do you think now seeing the blood clot issues and menstural issues that 1000 is an ok amount for a vaccine to be rolled out to tens of millions of children that have 0.0002% chance of dying from covid?

Take it to protect others. No vaccine is 100% and some modelling shows that if the Indian variant is 40% or 50% more transmissible then hospitals still get overwhelmed regardless of the vaccine due to the sheer numbers. If it's lower then great but it could be borderline so basically, the fewer people spreading the virus the better chance we all have of getting out of this mess in June as planned.

You don't have to worry about blood clots as you wouldn't get AZ at that age.

In terms of "long term effects" there isn't really such a thing. The vaccine itself only stays in your body for a short time (a few weeks IIRC) and trains your immune system to recognise the virus. Then it's gone. All your body is doing is learning - there's nothing to get a long term effect from. There can be rare short term effects like blood clotting that we would've spotted in those first few weeks and... indeed we did. It was a tiny risk but you get an alternative anyway.

It is reasonable and sensible to want to inform yourself about any medical procedure; just don’t do your research on social media or base your decision on some random jpg or video going round Facebook.

Do solid research, get information from experts in the field who have no personal agenda, and make sure you know how to sort the wheat from the chaff.

We're in the UK, so the CDC's behaviour isn't relevant and the UK is absolutely tracking all infections whether vaccinated or not. Your nonsense might play better to the US market @Lala134, better to try that?

doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1112
Interesting @Lala134

@MRex

The MHRA is the regulator, they have given approval for use.

Vaccines reduce symptomatic covid, asymptomatic vivid and transmission. You can't have missed the hundreds of headlines about the research, so you're just lying to people, what a weird way to behave. If you don't want a vaccine, don't have one, but roaming the internet lying to people in other countries is ridiculous.

and its in 'emergency approval' it is not fully approved as you can see from the trial information page from the manufactureres themselves and also it says on the uk gov website linked above. all of the vaccines are emergency approved and finish trials in 2023. Are you saying there is no difference between emergency approved vaccine and fully approved vaccine where all of the trials are complete? Please get your facts right before you call others liars

@Backofbeyond50

doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1112 Interesting *@Lala134*

Actually it's better than that. The risk of infection drops by 65%, then only half of that 35% transmit it! So actually 87.5% of vaccinated people coming into contact with covid won't transmit it. www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-vaccination-studies-find-significant-drop-covid-19-infections-2021-04-22/. Vaccines are amazing!