Anyone else not getting their 2nd AZ dose?

[Snowhitetann]

I'm 29 and am due my 2nd dose of AZ this Saturday. I'm absolutely beside myself with anxiety about the blood clot thing. Is anyone else not going to get the second dose?

There are lots of threads about this already, maybe read one of those for advice?

I also have blood clotting disorder but have had 2 AZ and am fine.

Have you ever taken the pill, been on an aeroplane? The risk of getting blood clots from them is higher.

@whataballbag

Number of second dose VITT has doubled from last week to 15.

Someone worked it out on another thread as roughly 1 in around 250k

Your chances of being killed by a car are 13 in 250K. Do you still get in cars?

Your chances of dying while under anaesthetic are 2.5 in 250K. Would you refuse that?

Your chances of getting blood clot on the pill are 200 in 250K, of of dying from that are 2 in 250K.

Just FYI.

twitter.com/profmakris/status/1395127276698800130?s=21

“Although the MHRA say they had 8 cases, up to today I have not heard of a convincing 2nd AZ dose case ie thrombosis+thrombocytopenia+antiPF4+very high DDimer.”

This professor has been aggressive at seeking transparency with the MHRA, if he’s saying it that counts for a lot.

It’s possible the MHRA is casting a very wide net.

"Your chances of being killed by a car are 13 in 250K. Do you still get in cars?"

and the risk of a young person dying of covid has equally low risks so your point is.....?

a 12 week gap gives you better protection than an 8 week gap the averages stated in the trials were 59.9% at 6 to 8 weeks v 81.3% at 12 weeks plus.

Interesting, my 2nd was pulled forward a few wks so I may push it back.

@IndigoC I saw that and found it quite reassuring - I really hope he’s right (5 days post second dose here and quite worried!)

I don’t really understand why people are getting it with second dose if they didn’t with the first - but I’m the first to admit my scientific understanding is pretty much nil 😆

@katylees

"Your chances of being killed by a car are 13 in 250K. Do you still get in cars?"

and the risk of a young person dying of covid has equally low risks so your point is.....?

My point was that your risk of dying in a car crash is higher than your risk of getting a blood clot from the second dose of the vaccine. So if you're making decisions based on risk probabilities, then out of the two, the vaccine wouldn't be the one to concern you.

I’m 32. Had mine on Monday.

@myfuckingfreezer you state " My point was that your risk of dying in a car crash is higher than your risk of getting a blood clot from the second dose of the vaccine. "

This is true if it was one vaccine jab but it isn't just one jab, you have to multiply the risk by however many jabs you are taking so each individual single jab may have an incredibly low risk but the risk alters taking into account 1st/2nd / booster jabs and presumably more jabs next year as we know immunity is limited , then the dynamics of risk assessment significantly change particularly for younger people where the "cure" can become more dangerous than the disease

Had my second jag at 4.15 and so relieved. Incidentally was listening to Inside Science on my way home afterwards and they were talking to one of the Austrian doctors who first came across the side effect of clots. It's worth a listen - how miniscule the chances of anyone suffering clots as side effects of the vaccine and the far higher risks of death and clots and other serious effects from covid itself, in younger age groups too. If you look at the facts and statistics it really is a no brainer.

@whataballbag - but I distinctly remember reading the number 12, not the number 8 when I looked last Thursday.

my 2nd AZ is due end of June. Unless guidelines change before then I'll be getting it

[quote katylees]@myfuckingfreezer you state " My point was that your risk of dying in a car crash is higher than your risk of getting a blood clot from the second dose of the vaccine. "

This is true if it was one vaccine jab but it isn't just one jab, you have to multiply the risk by however many jabs you are taking so each individual single jab may have an incredibly low risk but the risk alters taking into account 1st/2nd / booster jabs and presumably more jabs next year as we know immunity is limited , then the dynamics of risk assessment significantly change particularly for younger people where the "cure" can become more dangerous than the disease[/quote]
I was using the OPs own statistics, so if you have an issue with their assessment of risk, I'm afraid you'll need to take it up with them!

But my understanding from the OP was that risk was specific to the second jab, as is her concern for the possible effects, so I am comparing like for like. Risk of blood clot from second jab vs risk of those other things.

@Snowhitetann, you might find this thread useful - no easy answers but you won’t be sneered at.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4238086-Alternatives-to-AstraZeneca-vaccine-for-under-40s-could-be-considered-amid-rise-in-blood-clots-2

I'm 28 and had my second two days ago, feel absolutely fine, other than bit of a sore arm. First one felt more fluey. Please don't let anxiety get in the way of helping prevent a terrible illness.

@Lavendersquare

The risk of clotting with the Astra Zeneca jab seem to be on the first dose, I can't find any mention of clots on the second jab.

There have been 15 cases of clots after the second dose. Up from 8 last week.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

[quote Walkaround]@whataballbag - but I distinctly remember reading the number 12, not the number 8 when I looked last Thursday.[/quote]
Are you sure? Because it was definitely 8. You can read back the last weeks data on the MHRA website.

Where on earth did I get 12 in my head from? . Oh well, on the basis I thought it was 12 last week, I’m happy it’s only 15 this week!

@myfuckingfreezer as it stands, I don't take the pill, haven't been on a plane for 18 years, and certainly wouldn't have GA unless it was life or death surgery. I even opt for no sedation for medical procedures because of the risks.

But I do appreciate that I have very severe anxiety especially when it comes to health, so hopefully I'll be a very small minority.

@Walkaround

Where on earth did I get 12 in my head from? . Oh well, on the basis I thought it was 12 last week, I’m happy it’s only 15 this week!

Every cloud

I'm 59, due my second AZ next week and can't wait! I have arranged a night out afterwards! And I have a family history of thrombosis. But I'm fit and healthy and not worried at all.

Apparently the very, very few people who had blood clots after the AZ all had them after the first dose. There have been no problems after second doses.

So I’ve made a thread on this. The new figures have thrown me off a little bit but I went ahead and had it on Monday. I have extreme anxiety about these things but the alternative was worse.
A few things to consider,

If you don’t have it you’re half vaccinated (you would probably be okay) however, it’s better to complete a course right?

If you go for a second dose of something else there’s like practically no data on it. Wouldn’t that be more concerning?

Lastly, Pfizer is reporting heart issues after the first or second dose, so no vaccine is completely safe.

I think I would say take it to anyone who is anxious as these sort of things will have figures going up and it’ll only throw you off more.

If you’re really anxious wait 4 more weeks to see what the data says. By then if the second dose starts becoming more of a concern they may just stop it themselves.

Sorry if that was no help but I’m monitoring my symptoms now 4 days post second AZ dose and I admit I am worried.

@Scoose

The risk of blood clots from covid far outweighs the risk of clots from the vaccine.

Please explain?

@Snowhitetann I'm in my 30s and just cancelled my second AZ jab for the same reasons. Felt absolutely terrible after my first one, I've never felt so ill.