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To refuse the vaccine for this reason

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:09

Goodness know why I'm doing this since I'm most averse to being flamed and I'm going to get grilled alive.

My reason being that I don't think that it will work. I don't mean the vaccine itself, I have no specialist knowledge. I mean the whole strategy of vaccinating everyone.

So we're told that the vaccine is good for personal protection. Got it - no-one wants to die of this nasty disease.
And then we're told that its good to protect those around us. Absolutely got it - even if there's a possibility of nasty side effects, I'm not important in the grand scheme, it's a risk assessment for everyone's benefit.

So of course I'd get the vaccine if those were the only considerations.
But surely that only works if we're isolated from the rest of the world. I know there's been lots of talk of helping poorer countries with their vaccine programmes, but really? We're expecting countries who struggle with persistent poverty, illness, war to prioritise this? It's just not going to happen is it? I just can't see it. And it really feels like we're just doing it to stop them giving it back to us.

And even within our own country, and even with our apparently very successful roll-out, I can't see this being sustainable. We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

So then we're back to risk assessment. I'm still not massively bothered by the possibility of side effects, but it does seem unwise to take it if I genuinely don't believe it will work or make things better.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

I honestly believe that the only sensible use of vaccines is for the most vulnerable, to do our best in an out of control situation.

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PastMyBestBeforeDate · 18/05/2021 20:44

None of your dc have had the nasal flu vaccine at school?

Ponoka7 · 18/05/2021 20:44

As for 'countries with poverty won't prioritise vaccinations", you couldn't be more wrong. When Nigeria had an Elboa outbreak, the government showed how they can get organised when it suits them. The people might live in poverty, but that poverty is needed for cheap labour. So the government prioritises putting a lid on large-scale public health matters.
As said, you've completely misunderstood the rest of the call for our whole population to get vaccinated. Every infectious disease specialist etc is pleading with us to get vaccinated, but you think that you know best.

Topseyt · 18/05/2021 20:44

@SEmyarse

My (current ) husband is 57, my mum's in her 70s. I have 3 kids. Why have I never heard of any of these gettng a flu vaccine? Totally confused since everyone seems to think it's a thing.
You never having heard of them getting invited for a flu vaccine does not mean it didn't happen.

My mother and I virtually never discuss when we have our flu vaccines every year. We both do though. We have mentioned it occasionally, but it isn't a hot topic of conversation.

SparklyLeprechaun · 18/05/2021 20:45

Forget about your views about the covid vaccine, I'm more flabbergasted that you don't know anyone who's had the flu jab. Seriously?

year5teacher · 18/05/2021 20:45

This is utterly bizarre. Why, if you weren’t convinced it would work, would you just decide not to get it so it DEFINITELY won’t work?! The more people think like you, the less successful the vaccine programme is. People are allowed to choose whether they want it or not, but I’ll be honest - I’m not sure how you think this makes any sense.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 20:46

Sorry mainsfed, you're right I'm super confused and my head is totally spinning. I'm not certain which bit of my op you don't get. it seems clear to me, but people often say my communication isn't good so I don't know.

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titchy · 18/05/2021 20:47

@SEmyarse

My (current ) husband is 57, my mum's in her 70s. I have 3 kids. Why have I never heard of any of these gettng a flu vaccine? Totally confused since everyone seems to think it's a thing.
Probably because it's such a non-event they don't bother to tell you. Or they don't bother getting it. But they will be offered the flu vax.
chesirecat99 · 18/05/2021 20:47

@SEmyarse

My (current ) husband is 57, my mum's in her 70s. I have 3 kids. Why have I never heard of any of these gettng a flu vaccine? Totally confused since everyone seems to think it's a thing.
If you are in the UK, everyone over 65 (50 last year) should get an invitation for a flu vaccine. Your children should have been vaccinated at school, so you should have had a letter asking permission. You should have been offered it when you were pregnant.
SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 20:48

I guess most people wouldn't tell me if they'd had a flu jab, but I'm now frantically texting relatives and I've yet to find anyone who has.

This is definitely odd, since you all think it's widespread.

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Gingerodgers · 18/05/2021 20:48

I consider it to be your duty. Stop being a selfish contrary ass. Get the vaccine

turnthebiglightoff · 18/05/2021 20:49

You aren't bright enough to question why you wouldn't get the jab, so get the jab. It is, in no way, a "massive moral dilemma".

ForThePurposeOfTheTape · 18/05/2021 20:49

Haven't you been listening the last year ?

It's about protecting the NHS. If people in the UK get it mildy or not at all then the NHS can focus on their usual work and the government doesn't haven't to find more money to fund it.

year5teacher · 18/05/2021 20:50

Why would you “frantically text” relatives about the flu vaccine?
This is all so weird.
I get mine free every year from school. My mum gets hers free because she has an autoimmune disease (which I’ve now been diagnosed with). My dad gets it because he wants it. I’ve witnessed literally hundreds of children get it. People get the flu jab.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 20:50

Hang on is this all super recent? My youngest child is 14, I was definitely never offered a flu vax when pregnant, and none of my kids have ever had it.

My daughter had her tetanus booster last week, and HPV a couple of months ago, so it's not like I avoid this stuff.

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PastMyBestBeforeDate · 18/05/2021 20:52

They do them for £10 in pharmacies if you're not eligible for the NHS flu jab usually. I have the NHS one as my parents and MIL. Ds has it at school and DH pops into Tesco (although he was done on the NHS this year)

Sciurus83 · 18/05/2021 20:52

HAH!

Well, good job you're not in public health policy with stunning insights like this

year5teacher · 18/05/2021 20:52

I can only speak for my school but they’ve been giving the nasal spray for flu for like... years.

HalzTangz · 18/05/2021 20:52

I don't get your thinking at all. Why would you not get vaccinated. You protect yourself by doing so. Worry about yourself and not other countries

rosie39forever · 18/05/2021 20:52

Am I imagining it or is there an unprecedented amount of stupid on mumsnet at the moment? Do these people really exist? Thread after thread of utter lunacy!

ThursdayWeld · 18/05/2021 20:53

@SEmyarse

I guess most people wouldn't tell me if they'd had a flu jab, but I'm now frantically texting relatives and I've yet to find anyone who has.

This is definitely odd, since you all think it's widespread.

All my relations over 70 have it, and my DH who is medically vulnerable.
PastMyBestBeforeDate · 18/05/2021 20:53

My 14 year old definitely had the nasal flu vaccine at least once in primary school.

JassyRadlett · 18/05/2021 20:53

Hang on is this all super recent? My youngest child is 14, I was definitely never offered a flu vax when pregnant, and none of my kids have ever had it.

Yes, as I mentioned they started with the very young children in 2013 and have expanded annually. I think it’s all primary children now.

The over-65s universal provision and provision for at-risk groups in England (including even fairly mild asthmatics like me) has been around for at least a decade, I’m pretty sure. I get a letter and several texts from my GP surgery every year.

ForThePurposeOfTheTape · 18/05/2021 20:54

My 14yo has never had the nasal flu vaccine unless they don't require a permission slip

saraclara · 18/05/2021 20:55

I'm 65. I've been having a flu vaccination for the last ten years. Until recently I got them for £6 at Tesco pharmacy rather than go to the doctors for it. Quicker and easier, frankly. I'm astonished that you've not heard of it. Everyone I know has one. There are adverts all over the place every autumn reminding people to get theirs. And those of us who qualify under the NHS got letters.

I'm confused that you think that only vulnerable people will get Covid vaccination boosters. One not heard that at all. They'll be first in the queue of course, but I thought everyone will be offered one.

Just get protected OP. Protect yourself, and you'll be protecting your family too.

JassyRadlett · 18/05/2021 20:56

I’ve just checked and for 2020/1 the universal programme in England for children was age 2 up to school year 7.

@PastMyBestBeforeDate is right though, they have done pilots in older year groups in some areas as early as 2014 or so.

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