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To refuse the vaccine for this reason

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:09

Goodness know why I'm doing this since I'm most averse to being flamed and I'm going to get grilled alive.

My reason being that I don't think that it will work. I don't mean the vaccine itself, I have no specialist knowledge. I mean the whole strategy of vaccinating everyone.

So we're told that the vaccine is good for personal protection. Got it - no-one wants to die of this nasty disease.
And then we're told that its good to protect those around us. Absolutely got it - even if there's a possibility of nasty side effects, I'm not important in the grand scheme, it's a risk assessment for everyone's benefit.

So of course I'd get the vaccine if those were the only considerations.
But surely that only works if we're isolated from the rest of the world. I know there's been lots of talk of helping poorer countries with their vaccine programmes, but really? We're expecting countries who struggle with persistent poverty, illness, war to prioritise this? It's just not going to happen is it? I just can't see it. And it really feels like we're just doing it to stop them giving it back to us.

And even within our own country, and even with our apparently very successful roll-out, I can't see this being sustainable. We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

So then we're back to risk assessment. I'm still not massively bothered by the possibility of side effects, but it does seem unwise to take it if I genuinely don't believe it will work or make things better.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

I honestly believe that the only sensible use of vaccines is for the most vulnerable, to do our best in an out of control situation.

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 21:41

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

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Mousetown · 18/05/2021 21:41

@SEmyarse

I'm starting to feel like I must be on the moon too. No, i've never seen flu jabs advertised.

You make it sound like NON-vulnerable are getting them too. Why would you do that? and some people get them at work? do you all club together for a jabber to come in?

Non vulnerable people get flu jabs because having the flu is really not much fun.

My employer offers every single employee the flu vaccine for free, every year, because they would rather staff not be off sick all the time.

Flyonawalk · 18/05/2021 21:41

@SEmyarse I share many of your concerns and will tell you my thinking.

Like you I am fully vaccinated with usual vaccines, and so are my children. However I have concerns about long term safety with covid vaccines because no long term data is available. This is my first concern - long term safety.

My second is that there is already talk of covid booster vaccines being necessary. Are we expected to have a vaccination every year, regardless of personal risk?

A third concern is that the government keep changing advice and rules. A few months ago they said that normality would return when the vulnerable were vaccinated. There was talk of vaccinating over 50s but not younger adults and certainly not children or teenagers. These targets have moved. We have certainly been misled.

It is difficult but we each have to make our own choices. It is not selfish to look after your own health and to exercise choice. Good luck as you continue to think things through.

TwoIsQuiteEnoughThankYou · 18/05/2021 21:41

I'm not anti-vax

You just tell yourself whatever makes you feel good.

HotGlueGun · 18/05/2021 21:42

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Nope. Not having it
ThursdayWeld · 18/05/2021 21:42

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Yet here you are deciding you've made the right decision not to have the Covid vaccine...
Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 18/05/2021 21:42

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Ooh, you did it. You took it too far.
JassyRadlett · 18/05/2021 21:42

Is this a class thing or something? It's just not in my world.

No, it isn’t a class thing. GP surgeries don’t only send the reminders to rich patients. It’s an NHS programme (with relatively poor uptake in some demographics) so it’s a bit odd to suggest it’s a class thing.

Workplaces may be to a certain extent as it’s likely to be larger businesses that offer it.

But I don’t think I’ve been into a reasonable sized branch of Boots or a GP surgery in autumn or winter without seeing the posters.

HerMammy · 18/05/2021 21:42

Cmon you can’t be this dim?!
So did you just pop your kids out during the work day and carry on?
You have parents, what did you think they lived on financially?

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 21:43

I have always worked in the gig economy, they're just not a thing

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Nightbear · 18/05/2021 21:43

Over 65s have been offered a seasonal flu vaccine on the NHS for over 20 years. Other groups have been added over time.

Have you been living in a hole?

mainsfed · 18/05/2021 21:43

Do you also work for free, OP?

Sloth66 · 18/05/2021 21:43

This thread is one of the most depressing I’ve read on here for ages. People like OP cannot be reasoned with, their views are irrational

Ellie56 · 18/05/2021 21:43

Is this a parallel universe? Hmm

How can you not know about the national flu vaccination programme that happens every year in the UK?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/flu-vaccination-who-should-have-it-this-winter-and-why/the-flu-vaccination-winter-2020-to-2021-who-should-have-it-and-why

Nightbear · 18/05/2021 21:44

They’ve jumped the shark.

saraclara · 18/05/2021 21:44

Employers arrange for their employees to be get the flu jab. And every supermarket pharmacy and places like Superdrug offer or. Non vulnerable people get it because they don't want to get flu, and they don't want to pass it on to their families.

I really don't know how you've managed to watch TV, walk past billboards, visit a pharmacy or supermarket, read a newspaper or magazine, and NOT see an ad or an article about getting your flu jab.

The fact that you haven't indicates that you're not observant or a knowledge absorber. Which also comes across in your attempts to explain what you think is wrong with the vaccine. Have you been listening to the scientists and reading what they say about getting vaccinated? Do you think they'd be picking people to get it if it was a bad idea in the long run?

These people have been studying and researching viruses and epidemics for their entire lives. Do you really think you've spotted something that they've missed?

georgedawes · 18/05/2021 21:44

Clearly a wind up

Mousetown · 18/05/2021 21:44

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Ahhhh...I see. You’re trolling us. Nice one op, you had us going for a while there! Grin
Chickydoo · 18/05/2021 21:45
Biscuit
titchy · 18/05/2021 21:45

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Wait till you hear about the internet Op. it'll blow your mind.
SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 21:46

My mum always has students staying for income, I never questioned further.

And I just thought you were supposed to quit work while pregnant. The first 2 were with my disabled husband, so I could just get benefits as his carer, and the last was with this husband and I thought he was supposed to fund us. I guess he thought that too since that's what he did.

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Nightbear · 18/05/2021 21:46

Grin titchy

saraclara · 18/05/2021 21:46

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Oh ffs, I've just wasted my time reasoning with a wind up.
titchy · 18/05/2021 21:47

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

That post was a little much btw. Next time maybe reign it in just a little rather than stretch credibility.
Kdubs1981 · 18/05/2021 21:47

@SEmyarse

Massive tangent, but yeah I do have a bit of a habit of things flying straight past me. I didn't know that maternity leave was a thing until I was on mums net and that was MILES after I'd had my kids.

Also only recently discovered the existence of pensions.

Good one OP! Grin

You really had me going for a minute there!