If you had decided not to have the AZ vaccination, has the Indian variant changed your mind?

[nancysblush]

Or if you’d decided not to have your 2nd dose are you now going to go ahead and get it? Because it’s looking like the only way we’re getting out of this is for everybody who possibly can to get fully vaccinated.
Seeing all the people on the news this morning in Bolton who’ve been eligible for a vaccination for for months but for whatever reason haven’t bothered (apparently there’s 10,000 in Bolton alone) has really surprised me. Now they’ve realised they’re at risk they’re all rushing to get done. Bit late though and potentially this surge of cases could have been avoided.

Yea they can though 🤷‍♀️ I don’t understand your argument?
Does a 20/70 year old have the same attitude to heart disease (need for statins/diet etc) stroke (see previous bracket).. no!! They are

.. not at the sake risk and so naturally don’t have the same risk to mitigate. You might dislike this reality and so argue contrary but science is science ?

@BunsyGirl

Whether or not to have the vaccine is personal choice...but don’t constantly complain about Boris, the Government etc and their handling of Covid when you’re not willing to do the one thing that is our best chance of getting out of this mess.

Yes this. I’ve moaned constantly about the restrictions. It’d be a bit rich if I didn’t take the vaccine.

@RedcurrantPuff not all vaccine refusers do though? (We don’t all fit the illiterate,ubeduaced, unemployed, bored, conspiracy theorist label)... no to al of them and no to the vaccine for me !

@Dimsummummy It’s not the same is it though. If a 20 year old is overweight, it has no impact on anyone else. But their decision not to be vaccinated does. You’re looking it purely from their (and your) own personal risk. If you want to help end the pandemic, get a vaccine. Simple as that. And, I was making a point about alternative vaccines because you were concerned about blood clots. They don’t have to have AZ.

Sorry uneducated was a typo!

I decided fuck it, if I want to travel abroad anywhere I'd better get it. Simple as that....

Oh and I quite liked the idea of contributing to the efforts to end the pandemic....get through vaccine people!

*get the vaccine

@BunsyGirls so are you though (looking at it from selfish point of view) if you wasn’t ( and majority nArrative didn’t suit you) we wouldn’t be having this convo? Why not? ......You wouldn’t care!the facts remains in this case the majority argument suits your personal gain, even though you try to argue that your point is without bias 😂

@Parker231

I wonder what would happen if the majority took this attitude and didn’t have vaccine? The number of cases and deaths would be horrendous.

Indeed. Though I must admit I was glad o got the Pfizer one. I'd have taken any vaccine though, the risks with AZ are pretty negligible too!

[quote BunsyGirl]@Dimsummummy Well those 20 year olds can’t expect to live a life free of restrictions if they won’t step up and be vaccinated. They can’t blame everything on the Government if they are unwilling to do their bit to help end the pandemic. Also, under 40’s can have alternative vaccines now anyway.[/quote]
Why not? The restrictions we’ve had were to protect the nhs from being overwhelmed by people hospitalised by the virus. We can now vaccinate those vulnerable groups to prevent them being hospitalised. Why do you think we still need restrictions?

@bumbleymummy hear hear ! 100%xx

@bumbleymummy we will need restrictions if there is a big uptick in cases. Maybe it won’t happen but getting vaccinated will help to stop it.

@BunsyGirl yes we still might need restrictions yes they’ll still be for the more vulnerables benefit? Some care proportionately (I.e they have a vested interest for work or familial link with elder people) some have no family links and work doesn’t encompass elder people).
So some people have no vested interest?
Yes

@littlepeas

I am in my late 30’s and had Pfizer yesterday, but it would be a very hard decision for me if it was a choice between AZ and not having a vaccine at all. I will admit that I feel relieved to have had my vaccine but I was very anxious about AZ when I thought it would be my only option.

Same as this for me, although too young to be called yet. When I am I will try and get Pfizer

@Dimsummummy seriously. You’re calling me selfish for wanting things to get back to normal to give hope to those that have suffered the loss of their job or business over the past 12 month, so that people can travel to see family members who they haven’t seen for over a year and most importantly so that the risk of people losing loved ones is reduced. I can see the bigger picture, always have been able to from day one.

My point being that those who care about the ‘vulnerable’havw a vested interest - mother, mother in lAw , aunt, grandma etc’ and get the relevant love/time/money?benefits expected from that role and therefore it stands to reason you would fight for their survival (even disproportionately?) ....

I agree it’s not to protect the young as they’ll be fine but for some reason any rise in covid cases is going to prolong a lockdown.

I don’t understand why, when the fatalities aren’t going up, why it’s a huge deal. The vaccines seem to be working as they should.

Somehow though, it would appear that the main way to end this headache scenario is for the vast majority of adults to get vaccinated.

It’s a pain in the arse but I don’t see what other option there is...

@Dimsummummy Restrictions affect everyone, no matter whose benefit they’re for. That’s the point I’m making. The more people are vaccinated, the quicker the pandemic will end and that benefits all of us.

@Dimsummummy Are you saying that you don’t care about anybody other than yourself?!

Apparently the variant is such a worry that they are axing staff.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-test-trace-serco-staff-b1845688.html

How I wish we could divide the country in two and shove the selfish feckers who won't be vaccinated in one half and the rest of us in the other. There are literally millions of us who've had it and we're all pretty much fine. It's depressed the hell out of me how suspicious people are for absolutely no good reason.

@ Bunsygirl just an alternative take?im no more selfish for saying my world of 3 (me plus 2 teens) is as important as you are for saying yours that incorporates longer livers is?just that I don’t want my 12/15 old boys that have me (and
No maternal grandparents at all due to death?) To lose they’re closest and only immediate relative to covid vaccines to save some else’s great granny ? If that makes msuoyt of linearity british :humane values then frankly I don’t want to be in
Line! I know
What being An orphan feels like and it’s 1 million fold
Above look losing a grandparent.......

@diddlediddle

Vaccines are important because they reduce transmission. Reducing transmission reduces virus mutations. Sooner or later this virus will mutate into a version that is more scary to you personally - or for example becomes more fatal to kids - and suddenly the vaccine won't seem so bad

This very unlikely to happen- viruses tend to get less virulent as they mutate, not more. It's not in the interests of the virus to kill its host.