If you had decided not to have the AZ vaccination, has the Indian variant changed your mind?

[nancysblush]

Or if you’d decided not to have your 2nd dose are you now going to go ahead and get it? Because it’s looking like the only way we’re getting out of this is for everybody who possibly can to get fully vaccinated.
Seeing all the people on the news this morning in Bolton who’ve been eligible for a vaccination for for months but for whatever reason haven’t bothered (apparently there’s 10,000 in Bolton alone) has really surprised me. Now they’ve realised they’re at risk they’re all rushing to get done. Bit late though and potentially this surge of cases could have been avoided.

Sometimes, people have reasons for not doing something.

@boobot1 there are no credible reports that we have reached herd immunity. If that were the case why are they stepping up vaccinations and considering delaying lockdown lift?

There are a number of doctors who think it could mutate into something more deadly or at least equally as deadly as the current version, but more transmissible. I just think that until someone you love dies, or someone surprisingly young, people don't care. Which is weird because surely people want all these restrictions lifted? Bonkers.

Losing respect is not the same as actively wishing harm.

Truth is most people don't need the vaccine. Only vulnerable/elderly do.

@Covywovy

Losing respect is not the same as actively wishing harm.

Truth is most people don't need the vaccine. Only vulnerable/elderly do.

Far from the truth

You have some odd truths what are you reading?

@Covywovy - you say the truth is that most people do not need the vaccine - where is that 'truth' coming from?
Can you post us some links please?

Hello everyone.

We’re getting a number of reports about anti-vax sentiment and misinformation. Mumsnet, being an open site, does mean that this kind of thing tends to be robustly challenged on the boards, and many users are here looking for reassurance after all.

We're always on alert to anyone here with a specific agenda to share a particular (often extreme) point of view. We'll usually ban such posters as their contributions to threads are rarely helpful. We also delete links to sites that are clearly peddling bad science/fake news.

We think, especially with the emergence of new vaccines, it’s understandable people will want to discuss what’s involved - but we’d always urge anyone with questions to speak to a medical professional too. You can also find further information about vaccines on the NHS website. www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/

I try to be a decent, kind, respectful person. I try to generally do the right thing in life but having a medical procedure I neither want nor need is asking too much. I'm not responsible for everyone else, only me and my dc's. And before anyone calls me selfish (the word that has no effect any more) I have never in my life claimed not to be.

The restrictions are to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed, I am in my 20's with no underlying conditions so am highly unlikely to need NHS treatment for covid. The chance of me contributing to overwhelming the NHS and bringing back restrictions is tiny. If I was more at risk then I would have the vaccine as soon as offered, but I'm not.

I'm not against vaccines, I'm very glad that those who need them have been able to have them.

As for the vitriol at those who don't want the vaccine. We're all selfish, if you are demanding that I get a vaccine it's probably because you have convinced yourself that we won't get back to normal if some people don't get a vaccine. You want to get back to normal so want people to get vaccinated for your own reasons. You can't expect people to have medical procedures for your own benefit, there's something very wrong about that. No one else's health is any of your business, concentrate on your own.

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit

There was quite an aggressive first post on this thread *@Covywovy* saying that they had lost respect for anyone having the vaccine. Think it was you.

Yep remember that. Ironic

@Shelovesamystery

I try to be a decent, kind, respectful person. I try to generally do the right thing in life but having a medical procedure I neither want nor need is asking too much. I'm not responsible for everyone else, only me and my dc's. And before anyone calls me selfish (the word that has no effect any more) I have never in my life claimed not to be.

The restrictions are to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed, I am in my 20's with no underlying conditions so am highly unlikely to need NHS treatment for covid. The chance of me contributing to overwhelming the NHS and bringing back restrictions is tiny. If I was more at risk then I would have the vaccine as soon as offered, but I'm not.

I'm not against vaccines, I'm very glad that those who need them have been able to have them.

As for the vitriol at those who don't want the vaccine. We're all selfish, if you are demanding that I get a vaccine it's probably because you have convinced yourself that we won't get back to normal if some people don't get a vaccine. You want to get back to normal so want people to get vaccinated for your own reasons. You can't expect people to have medical procedures for your own benefit, there's something very wrong about that. No one else's health is any of your business, concentrate on your own.

I do respect your choice. But I can be damned grateful that the majority of people are not acting like you

@partyatthepalace

I think an awful lot of refusniks will change their minds when life gets difficult without a vaccine certificate.

"Refuseniks" wow what sinister language to use and threatening too!

Who needs government and big pharma to push messages out when you largely have a population devoid of critical thinking to do it for you and to divide the people.

I could have sworn there was a note of glee in your post about whose who have chosen not to be vaccinated (at all/yet) losing basic "rights" eg not being able to take a flight or go to a concert etc. Utterly chilling.

@PicsInRed

No. The risk of covid to me was negligible, versus an actual risk from the AZ vaccine, therefore it would be totally foolhardy for me to get it.

Will happily have Pfizer now that it's well tested and a known entity.

If AZ is back on the table for young people, and there is no choice of another vaccine, I won't get the vaccine at all. I doubt that will be an uncommon choice amongst women of my age and health profile.

Have you ever taken the contraceptive pill? The blood clot risks of AZ are less than this.

Ever gotten really drunk. The blood clot risks of AZ are about the same.

Ever smoked cigarettes regularly. The blood clot risk is higher than AZ.

But you do you.

@LouMumsnet so you can only post on mumsnet if you tow the line and think the same as everyone else?

And “specific agendas to share”.

Christ on a bike. I’m not pushing an agenda. I’m giving my personal opinion on something. As are others.

@Brownteddybear yes, but don’t mention critical thinking. You’ll get jumped on and called a conspiracy but if you say that.

Asking questions with debate is allowed
Anti- vaccine nonsense scaremongering and Trumpish alternative ‘facts’ are not allowed
Same as Facebook and Twitter
You can debate but mumsnet are totally right to zap anti vax ranting and propaganda.

Fortunately uptake on the vaccine is high. I know one person who has so far refused and I shall be far more careful in their company Am I mad, probably but who cares

Critical thinking - please tell me about this..all I can see on this thread is 'personal opinion' backed up with shouting. Getting my second dose of AZ on Friday.

I've had both doses of the AZ.

Ultimately people can refuse vaccines for whatever reason they wish, there is no obligation on anyone to consent to medical procedures they don't want to undertake, but, I do seriously wonder about people who are refusing it based on perceived risk to health. As stated up thread the contraceptive pill, alcohol, smoking and getting on an aeroplane all pose risks of blood clots. If you do any of those things but won't take the AZ due to risk then your risk perception is skewed.

@CutieBear

I’m in my 20s and I don’t have health issues. I won’t have any of the Covid19 vaccines. I know a quite a few people in their 20s and 30s who have had awful side effects from feeling sick and weak for days to developing blood clots. On the other hand, I know people who have had Covid19 and either felt a little sick for 1-2 days or were asymptomatic.

Thankfully, not many people are dying with Covid19 in the UK. If you’re elderly or medically vulnerable then feel free to take the vaccine.

Well that’s funny, you know a few people in their 20’s, 30’s that have had the vaccine and they’ve had blood clots?

Strange how they are only up to vaccinating late 30’s, early 40 year olds now, so there’ll hardly be anyone in their 20’s vaccinated at this point - unless they’re vulnerable (which is a different ball have altogether as if they are deemed vulnerable then it’s likely covid would make them sick so any vaccine is better than no vaccine statistically)

Also regarding the blood clots that your friends have experienced, strange that you happen to to know them when blood clots only affect about 1 in 100,000.... yet you know a few people that have had blood clots.

I call absolute Bull Shit!

@lifeturnsonadime

I've had both doses of the AZ.

Ultimately people can refuse vaccines for whatever reason they wish, there is no obligation on anyone to consent to medical procedures they don't want to undertake, but, I do seriously wonder about people who are refusing it based on perceived risk to health. As stated up thread the contraceptive pill, alcohol, smoking and getting on an aeroplane all pose risks of blood clots. If you do any of those things but won't take the AZ due to risk then your risk perception is skewed.

Exactly. And now the risk from covid might be about 40% higher than the Kent variant, which therefore makes the risk of catching it twice as high as last year (unless those of us taking the vaccine deal with the issue) Not sure many people understand risk

@Covywovy

Losing respect is not the same as actively wishing harm.

Truth is most people don't need the vaccine. Only vulnerable/elderly do.

Who has actively wished harm in people, though? You seemed to be referencing one of my posts, which confuses me. Did I say that I hoped an anti-vaxxer came to harm?

I had read that the vaccine only reduces NON -serious symptoms.
@Covywovy where did you read this as it doesn't seem right?

[quote Dimsummummy]@BunsyGirl I was playing devil’s advocate as I have had Covid (I’m also CEV ans have turned vaccine down) but my reasoning is I’ve had Covid (really quite badly tbf and had long covid) so am naturally immune system protected until variant changes jab.
However, as a critically thinking adult I still believe in individual choice regardless of prior infection status.. there’s something VeRY wrong with expecting are 40 year old to take a jab that might cause blood clots to protect a 70 year old?
For some odd reason people (in this virus only) seem to believe in selfless decisions that are to the detriment of the decision maker- if they don’t comply they’re selfish?! That is bizarre and out of kilter with any other medical decision which is individually based?[/quote]
Hear hear.

It's staggering.

@MargaretThatcherMilkSnatcher yes that seems to be the way this is going

I want to go on holiday - so you take a jab

If you don’t - that equals anti vaxxer and selfish

@Brownteddybear

Refuseniks was a term used early on by the media who reported that "refuseniks to be sent persuaders to convince them to have the vaccine"

This just shows how nasty and horrible the media is in all this turning people against each other