Page 6 | Limited travel list for the foreseeable future

borisforexample · 16/05/2021 14:48

And don't come back to me about how we only have high numbers because of sequencing. The trouble with sequencing in the Uk is that it has taken 2 weeks for the results to come back. But which time the 10-day isolation period of those individuals who knew they were Covid-positive was already over and they had already gone back to school etc.
So sequencing was too late to stop the spread.
Now we have whole year groups isolating with suspected Indian variant.

Proper red-listing, proper quarantine would have sorted all of this.

Lockheart · 16/05/2021 16:11

It's about whatever's important to people. I'm sick of hearing that people with family abroad should have priority. We all have an equal right to travel.

No-one actually has a right to travel abroad to be fair. Doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, whether you're going for holiday, work, or to visit dying relatives.

You have to apply for a passport to leave the country which the govt has to approve, and can revoke, and in many cases you need to apply for approval to enter your intended destination country. There is no such thing as a right to travel abroad - it's a privilege. Just because it's become very common in recent decades doesn't mean there's a right.

MyBabyBoyBlue · 16/05/2021 16:16

We used to travel a lot before this pandemic. Right now, I would settle for seeing my family who live in India, haven't seen them since 2019 and doubt that's going to change any time soon.

Coldwine75 · 16/05/2021 20:45

We dont all have an equal 'right' to travel, we are in a global pandemic so only those in emergency situations should travel.

IcedPurple · 16/05/2021 21:02

You have to apply for a passport to leave the country which the govt has to approve, and can revoke, and in many cases you need to apply for approval to enter your intended destination country. There is no such thing as a right to travel abroad - it's a privilege. Just because it's become very common in recent decades doesn't mean there's a right.

Actually it is a right.

According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country".

Unless a citizen, you don't have the right to enter any given country since all countries retain the right to control their borders. But you do have a right to leave your country. It is not a 'privilege' which governments can revoke just like that, outside of emergency situations. I do find it quite scary how easily people are happy to have their basic rights taken away from them.

Coldwine75 · 16/05/2021 21:38

Yep, for a global pandemic its acceptable.

amicissimma · 16/05/2021 22:04

"only those in emergency situations should travel."

That's your opinion. Others think differently.

tiredofthisshit21 · 16/05/2021 22:12

I still can't get my head around the fact that if you are fully vaccinated, you're still seen a risk if you travel! I mean, what's the point of vaccinations then if it's not so that we can all crack on with our lives?!

Tumbleweed101 · 16/05/2021 22:22

Would rather see all restrictions end first domestically. I hate masks. would rather they go than people being able to travel and bring back new variants which mean things like masks are in place longer.

I hope we can travel freely again and I do miss being able to travel but I also miss being able to go out freely day to day.

DrMaryMalone · 16/05/2021 22:28

Just before pandemic started I was researching holidays to New York which I was going to book as a surprise for DHs 40th this June. As that never happened I'm looking at booking now for Christmas time to give him as something to look forward to but I'm swithering due to the question Mark on quarantine on return. If Scotland were already doing test and release like England I'd feel more confident booking but so much could change in 6 months.

Oblomov21 · 17/05/2021 05:29

It was suggested the destinations would be reviewed every 3 weeks or so, and hopefully more added each time.
Then a couple of days ago the gloom of Indian variant just dampened the whole atmosphere.

PrimaryDSL · 17/05/2021 06:14

@coronafiona

My issue is that DC are growing up. Missing two years of holiday with them is really sad. And no I don't want to pay £3k for a week in a caravan in the rain.

I can understand this and feel the same way to a certain extent about my own DC. However when I was a child we could not afford holidays (even in the UK) and I did not go abroad until I was over 20. It did not harm me and I still have many fond memories of the summer holidays and time spent with my family.

Mathshelpme · 17/05/2021 06:47

I have had plenty of UK holidays, sat on a deckchair in a coat; or walking in the drizzle; or sat in a caravan whilst it’s pelting down outside. I’ve Devon and Cornwall and Scarborough; West and North Wales as well as city breaks to name a few. Mostly as a child granted, but I do know that I loathe UK holidays and would prefer to save my money than go on one again.

If my holiday destination is green or Amber in July, I’m going. And I’m going to stay abroad for as long as the visa allows. When I come back, I’ll do whatever testing or isolation is required. I cannot wait to get some sunshine and heat; see the white Sandy beaches and snorkel in the warm ocean.

I really don’t care whether people think that’s selfish. I’ve had enough now. I’ve gone along with all the rules for 14 months and that’s enough.

vera99 · 17/05/2021 07:05

I hate Cornwall now even though I haven't been in years and I will continue to hate it until this damn pandemic is finally done.

Imagine being here in the cold rain £4k for a week - I would hang myself.

www.airbnb.co.uk/rooms/23821233?adults=2&children=2&check_in=2021-06-07&check_out=2021-06-13&federated_search_id=d3aa5edd-5f03-40ae-8bfc-8892df91315b&source_impression_id=p3_1621231414_z33FlsG02V9wr%2Fjt

IrmaFayLear · 17/05/2021 10:05

Omg - my garage is bigger than that holiday home! I don’t mind basic accommodation, but I would want to pay a basic price !

Coldwine75 · 17/05/2021 10:06

@tiredofthisshit21

I still can't get my head around the fact that if you are fully vaccinated, you're still seen a risk if you travel! I mean, what's the point of vaccinations then if it's not so that we can all crack on with our lives?!

Because vaccines are not 100% protection ?

borntobequiet · 17/05/2021 10:10

The government clearly don’t want us to travel and this gives them the perfect excuse to keep the options of places to go extremely limited

That’s a particularly baffling circular argument. They don’t want us to travel because of the dangers of travel during a deadly pandemic and that is an excuse for limiting travel?

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 17/05/2021 10:14

Because vaccines are not 100% protection ?

The vaccines are as effective as any other vaccine which has been developed in the past. At some point we have to get back to living normal lives.

IrmaFayLear · 17/05/2021 10:52

The trouble is that many of those travelling have not been vaccinated.

I posted on another thread about Typhoid Mary, who was incarcerated because she was a Typhoid carrier who would not stop working as a cook (and infecting and killing members of the household). It is not one’s human right to imperil others. Liberty extends as far as not impinging on the rights of other people. I think travelling internationally during a pandemic is covered by this.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 17/05/2021 12:01

But if they have been vaccinated, they should be able to go about their business, including holidays, within the rules. Otherwise what's the point?

NewMatress · 17/05/2021 12:47

I'm not sure how much longer I can tolerate caring for bedbound husband, working full time to keep a roof over our heads, trying to keep DC mentally healthy in this environment. The prospect of any kind of holiday, let alone a foreign holiday is a distant dream and yet I still have blessings to count. No holiday isn't my breaking point.

IcedPurple · 17/05/2021 13:02

Because vaccines are not 100% protection ?

No vaccine is 100% effective and none ever will be. Howvever, the Covid vaccines have proved remarkably effective, well beyond expectations.

As the PP said, what is the point of getting vaccinated if you can't get on with your life?

Franklin12 · 17/05/2021 13:07

Vera - that is VERY funny. I have relatives in Cornwall.... the Cornish dont want tourists. They want the money though...

Franklin12 · 17/05/2021 13:16

I think some people want to stay locked down forever. Always looking for the new cases, always spreading doom and gloom. Around them the economy is broken, people are losing their jobs but as long as they can spread their doom mongering they will be happy.

I have had two vaccines and was very disappointed with Bolton and what has happened there. Having said that if someone has asked me to postpone my 2nd jab because they needed them for Bolton I would do it in a flash.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for what is happening. I am tired of hearing why some people think they dont need to have a vaccine.

Franklin12 · 17/05/2021 13:17

I like the way the government are flooding the areas with vaccines.