Under 50s safety compromised yet again!

[3asAbird]

I am 41 this year as 1st vaccine next week.
It will take 3 weeks take any effect.
Why the rush to unlock when so many not been vaccinated and lots younger age group seriously ill and dying in India

We told we spaced out vaccines longer to ensure everyone has 1 dose at least which gives some protection yet now we could be holding 1st doses back to speed up 2nd doses for over 50.
Will this means anyone anyone in 30s will be delayed 1st doses.

We have school kids not vaccinated at all.
International travel opening up
No masks in classrooms.

I know they have to have a system of priority.
I think it was Indonesia who decided to vaccinate younger age group 1st.
Is there the danger given info coming from Indian variant hot spots thats its prevalent in under 50s.
That they are the ones catching and spreading it.
I imagine elderly in carehomes fairly partially shielded and older age groups have less points of contacts.
Surely the worry is Indian is much more transmissible and it will be the younget age groups that catch and spread it.
Then there's worry it overtakes the Kent varient b117 and becomes our main version of the virus.
We know in uk localised lockdowns haven't contained it.
Yes it entered via International travel but now its community transmission.
Surely Andy Burham ideas targeting hot spots is better than making over 50s a priority everywhere else possibly putting under 50s at more risk.

I would also say that vaccinating young healthy people who are more exposed but less vulnerable is not the best plan given that all vaccines have side effects. How many more young healthy women would have suffered disastrous blood clots if the government had given in to the cry to vaccinate teachers and shop workers ahead of shielding seventy-somethings. Instead we rightly let the more vulnerable population with more to gain from the vaccine act as guinea pigs for the younger population.

If they were that worried they lied I’m glad because I see all the crap ‘worriers’ post on here do anything that shuts them up is good by me

@Watapalava

If they were that worried they lied I’m glad because I see all the crap ‘worriers’ post on here do anything that shuts them up is good by me

Ah. So it is okay to worry, lie and take vaccines away from the actual vulnerable people and those working with risk but is not okay to worry, voice concern on an anonymous forum and not lie and take vaccines away from others.

I get it now.

Personally all you ‘worried well’ need vaccinating because the crap people post is down right dangerous it really is

Scaremongering at best and if I’m honest those so anxious on Mumsnet should be vaccinated under ‘ underlying conditions’ because no person of sane mind should be that concerned as some posters on here are

@Waxonwaxoff0

How have I been awful? I don't care if people are pregnant, it's their choice. All I'm saying is that if you choose to get pregnant knowing the situation we are in you have to accept that you are potentially putting yourself at higher risk and that's your choice, it's no one else's fault.

But you're missing the point here. Regardless of whether or not people choose to be pregnant doesn't negate the fact that they are more at risk and more vulnerable. This isn't about choice - it's just about risk. We have a vaccination program designed based on prioritising those more at risk - it doesn't consider whether those health issues which place someone at risk are spontaneous and without any blame upon the individual, it simply assesses that anyone with this particular health condition is higher risk. This includes, for example, health issues that might be a result of bad health choices by the individual - eg., high BMI, Type 2 diabetes, smoking related lung conditions or circulatory issues. Do you also believe we should not have prioritised those people as part of group 6? I appreciate that falling pregnant during a pandemic has its own risks but i think it's incredibly callous to state that pregnant women and their unborn babies are less worthy of priority because "they knew what they were getting into". The vaccine program prioritised those at risk first who will have a higher need for hospitalisation or significant illness - both of which apply to pregnant women in third trimester particularly. This is why many other countries have actively prioritised pregnant women regardless of age.

@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere

I would also say that vaccinating young healthy people who are more exposed but less vulnerable is not the best plan given that all vaccines have side effects. How many more young healthy women would have suffered disastrous blood clots if the government had given in to the cry to vaccinate teachers and shop workers ahead of shielding seventy-somethings. Instead we rightly let the more vulnerable population with more to gain from the vaccine act as guinea pigs for the younger population.

That's ridiculous to say we used the elderly as guinea pigs. These drugs were tested in multiple countries before they were available on the NHS. The use of any age as a "guinea pig" what if 18-25 had a higher mortality rate from Covid. So them dying of in the first group to get it was them being ",guinea pigs".

Don't devalue the lives of the elderly and vulnerable

Older people do not always have reduced contacts. My neighbour who is disabled has carers in and out of his house every day and frequent hospital appointments. He sees more people every day than I do.
My mother has had lots of hospital appointments and a few hospital stays.

@castemary

Older people do not always have reduced contacts. My neighbour who is disabled has carers in and out of his house every day and frequent hospital appointments. He sees more people every day than I do. My mother has had lots of hospital appointments and a few hospital stays.

Yes but in both those cases you mention, the people they are seeing are also fully vaccinated.

I agree with you OP. I'm 42 not yet vaccinated as there were issues with getting slots in my area. I don't live far from Bolton and really concerned about long Covid now that so many people seem to have given up on masks and distancing.

Fed up of having to explain to friends and family (ALL vaccinated) why I don't want to meet them indoors right now.

Currently I honestly believe anyone still complaining they haven’t had vaccine has health anxiety.You are not at risk of death and severe disease
Wot you said @Watapalava

@TeddingtonTrashbag

Currently I honestly believe anyone still complaining they haven’t had vaccine has health anxiety.You are not at risk of death and severe disease Wot you said *@Watapalava*

That's ridiculous. There are cases of ppl dying that are younger than 40.

BoJo is foolish. In Scotland and area that had over 50 cases in every 100 000 did not get their restrictions eased. That way it can be contained.

The excuse of disappointing pol last minute is nonsense Glasgow only found out on Friday that they would stay at stage 3.

We started with getting the most vulnerable fully vaccinated.
So now we are in early 40s to 30s. Smaller areas are fully vaccinated.

In one month we will hopefully go to stage 1. With at least another month to normality in July maybe.

I think BOJO gas been pretty incompetent the whole way through the crisis. And now he wants to rush his way out.