Under 50s safety compromised yet again!

[3asAbird]

I am 41 this year as 1st vaccine next week.
It will take 3 weeks take any effect.
Why the rush to unlock when so many not been vaccinated and lots younger age group seriously ill and dying in India

We told we spaced out vaccines longer to ensure everyone has 1 dose at least which gives some protection yet now we could be holding 1st doses back to speed up 2nd doses for over 50.
Will this means anyone anyone in 30s will be delayed 1st doses.

We have school kids not vaccinated at all.
International travel opening up
No masks in classrooms.

I know they have to have a system of priority.
I think it was Indonesia who decided to vaccinate younger age group 1st.
Is there the danger given info coming from Indian variant hot spots thats its prevalent in under 50s.
That they are the ones catching and spreading it.
I imagine elderly in carehomes fairly partially shielded and older age groups have less points of contacts.
Surely the worry is Indian is much more transmissible and it will be the younget age groups that catch and spread it.
Then there's worry it overtakes the Kent varient b117 and becomes our main version of the virus.
We know in uk localised lockdowns haven't contained it.
Yes it entered via International travel but now its community transmission.
Surely Andy Burham ideas targeting hot spots is better than making over 50s a priority everywhere else possibly putting under 50s at more risk.

So if you are worried stay back don’t go to bars restaurants crowded places etc. You can protect yourself to some degree by not going to these places.

I completely agree.

This is also why those who work in crowded places need to be protected a little longer with masks etc. Including those in the 40-49 age bracket.

Ironically, the guidance for schools in England says no masks in classrooms but must masks must still be worn in ‘communal areas’. What’s a classroom if not a communal area?

I'm 42 and booked mine as soon as they announced over 40s could. I still have to wait 2 more weeks! So 4 weeks in total since I booked. Bit peeved tbh.

And just to add I will definitely continue being very careful until I get my 1st dose and will not be going anywhere!

I'm 63. I had AZ. My 12 weeks are up on Monday.

I was called by the GP's receptionist on Friday last offering me my second dose on Thursday just gone. They had slots between 10 and 3.30. I said that wasn't any good as I was due to be working 40 miles away that day (and thought but didn't say that if I stayed off work for the jab I'd lose a day's pay). She said that that was the only stock they'd been allocated and they didn't know when they might get some more.

A week's gone by and I'm still waiting.

If they bring forward the over 50s to 8 weeks, 40-49 should be next for second doses anyway. We might not get it by 8 but surely sooner? Hopefully. Although studies show waiting till closer to 12 weeks can improve efficiency anyway. So I’m not sure which to hope for!

@Tealightsandd

ItWasLikeThat Your post brings home just how much the 40-49 age group keep being fucked over by the UK government.

Either, they're lower risk full stop so should be included in priority for Pfizer/Moderna, or they're higher risk and should be prioritised for vaccines like groups 1-9.

Other countries did their vaccine priority from 40 or 45.

In the news today. Looks like the government are going to raise the NHS health check age to 50. For years it's been 40 (which makes sense as 40+ is when underlying conditions commonly start to develop).

Government reportedly looking at giving the health check at the same time as the booster Covid shots. They seem to be planning to again exclude the 40-49s...

I’m in my 60s and have never been offered a health check. Perhaps this might be my chance?

OP if you are worried then stay at home y all means. I however have no intention of being cooped up while cases, hospitalisations and deaths remain low.

It's because the risk of death or hospitalisation is very very low in the under 50s. Plus, although the rules are changing, you don't have to mix indoors or go to the pub if you don't feel comfortable doing that yet.

@Tealightsandd

What I really wonder about is how the US has been able to make vaccinations available for all adults for so long? All my US-based friends in their 30s and 40s have been fully vaccinated for weeks now.

Lots of US states have been doing 16+ for weeks.

America secured huge supplies - helped by the fact that Pfizer (and I think Moderna too) are US companies, with manufacturing done in America. They also have good supply of the raw materials needed to make the vaccines.

America has actually done slightly fewer vaccines per population than we have. The problem over there is lower take- up of the vaccine which means they’ve reached the younger ages much quicker (although still have significant numbers of vulnerable people refusing the vaccine)

@Waxonwaxoff0

We, as a country, are not having enough children and this has become a bigger issue since 2016. I'm sure you want society to function in 20+ years time so you can get healthcare, a pension etc.

Also you don't know whether the poster has fertility issues which means if she wasn't pregnant now, pandemic or no pandemic, she may never have a child.

@Tealightsandd when I had mine the health assistant doing mine said the only people who bothered turing up for them were either healthy and/or had known issues.

So the people they wanted to turn up to check for diabetes and heart disease e.g. those that didn't exercise regularly, those that are obese, didn't bother getting screened.

International travel is not really opening up much.

The programme for vaccinations by age is one I agree with. Age is verifiable, no exceptions, no arguments about why some exception is granted but not others, supported by evidence about the impact of the disease if you get it, makes the vaccine rollout quicker. The response to the possible impact of the Indian variant should be a quicker rollout and also proper quarantine.

Age is verifiable, no exceptions, no arguments about why some exception is granted but not others,

I agree with you (at least I did back in January, even if it was disappointing personally not to be on the list as a teacher with Psoriasis) but it was never just about age was it?
Thousands got the first dose early by lying about being an unpaid carer, which was never verified until the start of April. Those who were not working/furloughed able to queue for hours to get early doses.
Then the age criteria was never properly followed either (18 year olds in Wales getting vaccinated before those in the 40-49 age bracket anyone?)

These doses alone could have gone to those working in close contact with others (factory workers. Fire service, teachers and police) or at least those in the older age brackets, instead.

The feelings of some posters on this thread are precisely because it never has just been about following the age criteria in a fair way, sadly.

[quote RedMarauder]@Waxonwaxoff0

We, as a country, are not having enough children and this has become a bigger issue since 2016. I'm sure you want society to function in 20+ years time so you can get healthcare, a pension etc.

Also you don't know whether the poster has fertility issues which means if she wasn't pregnant now, pandemic or no pandemic, she may never have a child.[/quote]
You're not reading what I said. My issue is not the being pregnant, it's the getting pregnant during a pandemic and then expecting to be prioritised for a vaccine along with people who have health conditions through no fault of their own.

@Cindersrellie

It's because the risk of death or hospitalisation is very very low in the under 50s. Plus, although the rules are changing, you don't have to mix indoors or go to the pub if you don't feel comfortable doing that yet.

But the risk of long Covid is still very much real, especially in that age bracket. And for those who have no choice but to work in close contact with others and therefore already mixing with others, going to bars and restaurants is not what is on their minds to be honest.

I'm 57, second dose booked in 3 weeks time (at same time as I booked my first jab). I'm hoping I'll be called to have it sooner, but not counting on it.

I feel vulnerable, and we have family with young kids coming to visit before my 2nd jab is due. They would not understand if I said I wanted to cancel the visit, we haven't seen them for a couple of years.

You're not reading what I said. My issue is not the being pregnant, it's the getting pregnant during a pandemic and then expecting to be prioritised for a vaccine along with people who have health conditions through no fault of their own.

Are you really going down that route? You’d let an unborn baby and mother be at risk because you don’t think they should have got pregnant in the first place? Wow. Waxonwaxoff, I am genuinely speechless.

@ChloeDecker

You're not reading what I said. My issue is not the being pregnant, it's the getting pregnant during a pandemic and then expecting to be prioritised for a vaccine along with people who have health conditions through no fault of their own.

Are you really going down that route? You’d let an unborn baby and mother be at risk because you don’t think they should have got pregnant in the first place? Wow. Waxonwaxoff, I am genuinely speechless.

Everyone is at risk, small or large. Vaccinations are being done in the order that's been decided best. If you haven't been offered a vaccination yet, it's because you're low risk.

Vaccinations are being done in the order that's been decided best.

Except, as I have written in an earlier post of mine, they haven’t all been done in the order that has been decided best, have they?

If you haven't been offered a vaccination yet, it's because you're low risk.

Low risk from what? There is a very real risk of long Covid that has been largely ignored, so perfectly understandable why some are concerned in certain age brackets.

Besides, there are plenty of experts on Psoriasis who disagreed with the guidance suddenly changing in January to those only taking strong steroids etc, from the clear and published guidance in December that also included those on lower strength medication. I’m not sure this is the only example either.

And you can’t tell me that a lollipop lady (most who were not actually working anyway) was more at risk than you and your fellow factory workers that you keep telling us are/were contracting Covid at a high rate?

So, I don’t have a huge amount of confidence in the decision making of who is ‘at low risk’ of anything.

*by all means

@ChloeDecker

Vaccinations are being done in the order that's been decided best.

Except, as I have written in an earlier post of mine, they haven’t all been done in the order that has been decided best, have they?

If you haven't been offered a vaccination yet, it's because you're low risk.

Low risk from what? There is a very real risk of long Covid that has been largely ignored, so perfectly understandable why some are concerned in certain age brackets.

Besides, there are plenty of experts on Psoriasis who disagreed with the guidance suddenly changing in January to those only taking strong steroids etc, from the clear and published guidance in December that also included those on lower strength medication. I’m not sure this is the only example either.

And you can’t tell me that a lollipop lady (most who were not actually working anyway) was more at risk than you and your fellow factory workers that you keep telling us are/were contracting Covid at a high rate?

So, I don’t have a huge amount of confidence in the decision making of who is ‘at low risk’ of anything.

Someone age 40 working from home and not seeing anyone probably is at less risk from contracting Covid than me. Who knows?

I could sit around moaning that I haven't been vaccinated yet. What's the point in that? It's been decided to be done in age order, nothing I can do about that and I don't expect everyone else to stop their lives because of it.

I could sit around moaning that I haven't been vaccinated yet. What's the point in that? It's been decided to be done in age order, nothing I can do about that and I don't expect everyone else to stop their lives because of it.

No skin off my nose if that’s your opinion but your opinion doesn’t cancel out the fact that others older than you don’t share your opinion, feel differently and can see that it hasn’t just been done in age order.
It also doesn’t cancel out the fact that you have been awful to a pregnant woman on this thread and other pregnant women maybe reading this thread.

@ChloeDecker

I could sit around moaning that I haven't been vaccinated yet. What's the point in that? It's been decided to be done in age order, nothing I can do about that and I don't expect everyone else to stop their lives because of it.

No skin off my nose if that’s your opinion but your opinion doesn’t cancel out the fact that others older than you don’t share your opinion, feel differently and can see that it hasn’t just been done in age order.
It also doesn’t cancel out the fact that you have been awful to a pregnant woman on this thread and other pregnant women maybe reading this thread.

How have I been awful? I don't care if people are pregnant, it's their choice. All I'm saying is that if you choose to get pregnant knowing the situation we are in you have to accept that you are potentially putting yourself at higher risk and that's your choice, it's no one else's fault.

God I wish people would read the explanations and seriously get a grip

It’s unbelievable how many educated people stick hands in their ears going lalala

Hospitalisations and deaths outside of groups 1-9 were minimal

Outside of groups 1-9, 440 people died ‘with covid’, so perhaps not even primary cause.

If you’re not in groups 1-9 it’s because you are in the 99.9% chance of being completely fine - most are not even symptomatic

It doesn’t matter how much exposure you have to it and that’s what government have been trying to tell people (teachers). It’s about how you react when you have it

We are in a panedrmic. Priority isn’t about stopping mild illness and long covid (no treatment yet and evidence so far is most recover after few months)

We cannot be locking down and ruining lived for mild illness and long covid so that’s not even an option

Priority now is getting lives back to normal and prevent hospitalisations - a level of mild and even moderate illness in people should be expected and is an acceptable trade off to ruining lives with lockdowns - if you’re low risk bloody take one for the team as they say. Boris has always said it’s not about cases and thank god because some people here would never leave the house

Currently I honestly believe anyone still complaining they haven’t had vaccine has health anxiety

You are not at risk of death and severe disease

Get a reality check and perhaps get of Mumsnet and go out for tea

Get a reality check and perhaps get of Mumsnet and go out for tea

Do you approve of the thousands who lied to get the vaccine saying they were unpaid carers when they were not?