Under 50s safety compromised yet again!

[3asAbird]

I am 41 this year as 1st vaccine next week.
It will take 3 weeks take any effect.
Why the rush to unlock when so many not been vaccinated and lots younger age group seriously ill and dying in India

We told we spaced out vaccines longer to ensure everyone has 1 dose at least which gives some protection yet now we could be holding 1st doses back to speed up 2nd doses for over 50.
Will this means anyone anyone in 30s will be delayed 1st doses.

We have school kids not vaccinated at all.
International travel opening up
No masks in classrooms.

I know they have to have a system of priority.
I think it was Indonesia who decided to vaccinate younger age group 1st.
Is there the danger given info coming from Indian variant hot spots thats its prevalent in under 50s.
That they are the ones catching and spreading it.
I imagine elderly in carehomes fairly partially shielded and older age groups have less points of contacts.
Surely the worry is Indian is much more transmissible and it will be the younget age groups that catch and spread it.
Then there's worry it overtakes the Kent varient b117 and becomes our main version of the virus.
We know in uk localised lockdowns haven't contained it.
Yes it entered via International travel but now its community transmission.
Surely Andy Burham ideas targeting hot spots is better than making over 50s a priority everywhere else possibly putting under 50s at more risk.

I'm 30, have a DS in primary school, haven't had one vaccination yet, couldn't care less. Happy to take the risk personally.

Are they sure in addition to preventing people being hospitalised the vaccines reduce or prevent transmission.

They released data on this - they are pretty sure. The Oxford vaccine trial also tested for asymptomatic cases when investigating the effectiveness, as well as looking at likelihood of developing symptoms / serious illness. So they are sure that the AZ dramatically reduces the likelihood of contracting it at all - and it’s pretty difficult to transmit a virus you don’t have!

I was group 6 not sure if that is changing too?
But i think in happy to wait the 4w.
Especially as it's AZ would rather see if many people react on dose 2.
As which would be better a gap of 8 or 12w.
Plus as under 50 no booster in Autumn.

I dont think i need to worry as our gp is very set on a 12w gap so wouldnt have availability...

Although it's true they may have a lot of AZ about

@blueangel19

I had my vaccine today in London. Most of the people in the four blocks line look they were about 30. I asked two of them and they were 29 and 28 and were invited. Was very surprised they were called as was expecting only 40 plus this week. It really depends. It looks like there are plenty of vaccines. Why to worry?

It's been a bit of a (postcode) lottery all along - I'm also in London and so many of my friends in their 30s got invited as early as March. No such luck for me. I managed to book on Wednesday when the national booking site opened for my age group of 38 & 39 year olds. Had my vaccine Thursday morning and got questioned how I'd managed to book a day early when it was officially meant to open from Thursday 7am. As if one day early would make me a queue jumper... (I wasn't queue jumping anyway, as the website let me book.)

What I really wonder about is how the US has been able to make vaccinations available for all adults for so long? All my US-based friends in their 30s and 40s have been fully vaccinated for weeks now.

Definitely several south London boroughs are still on over 40s in their drop ins. One is doing a clinic this weekend for 40+ (it was 45+ last weekend).

London is still behind the rest of the UK. I posted a link on another thread about the Indian strain, and the news report noted how London was lagging.

I'd guess lots of the younger people the poster saw were previously vaccine hesitant clinically vulnerable or health or social care workers (up to 45% of London care home staff were hesitant and persons some have changed their minds).

What I really wonder about is how the US has been able to make vaccinations available for all adults for so long? All my US-based friends in their 30s and 40s have been fully vaccinated for weeks now.

Lots of US states have been doing 16+ for weeks.

America secured huge supplies - helped by the fact that Pfizer (and I think Moderna too) are US companies, with manufacturing done in America. They also have good supply of the raw materials needed to make the vaccines.

@Tealightsandd

What I really wonder about is how the US has been able to make vaccinations available for all adults for so long? All my US-based friends in their 30s and 40s have been fully vaccinated for weeks now.

Lots of US states have been doing 16+ for weeks.

America secured huge supplies - helped by the fact that Pfizer (and I think Moderna too) are US companies, with manufacturing done in America. They also have good supply of the raw materials needed to make the vaccines.

They’ve done less doses as a % of their population than us though despite the fact that any adult who wants a vaccine can get it. The only possible explanation I can think of is that take up had not been so high there, unlike here where the vast majority of each age group do take the vaccine.

Here in London people in their 30s getting texts from GP surgeries for their vax. Depends on local efficiency in rollout.

@TeddingtonTrashbag

Here in London people in their 30s getting texts from GP surgeries for their vax. Depends on local efficiency in rollout.

Or local demographic. If you’ve an older population it’s going to take longer to get through the over 50s than if you’ve a younger population. Nothing to do with efficiency really.

100% @CarrieBlue

I’m going to get a lot of abuse for this given the hysterical comments on this threat, but when has it been announced that those in their 40s are at risk of anything more than a mild illness with covid? The risk for those in their 50s and 60s is still very low. People have lost all sense of perspective.

If you are healthy, with no underlying conditions with a healthy BMI in your 40s covid poses no realistic threat to you and if you have underlying conditions you will have been vaccinated as part of group six. When vaccines were first announced they were only planning on giving them to over 50s yet now we are getting worked up because 40 somethings might have to wait a little longer.

The ability to rationalize and put things into perspective has well and truly gone!

There is masses of evidence which shows that old age is by far and away the number one factor when it comes to covid-related illness or death. Despite this, many people remain convinced that younger people are dropping like flies. It's bonkers.

@Katie517

I’m going to get a lot of abuse for this given the hysterical comments on this threat, but when has it been announced that those in their 40s are at risk of anything more than a mild illness with covid? The risk for those in their 50s and 60s is still very low. People have lost all sense of perspective.

If you are healthy, with no underlying conditions with a healthy BMI in your 40s covid poses no realistic threat to you and if you have underlying conditions you will have been vaccinated as part of group six. When vaccines were first announced they were only planning on giving them to over 50s yet now we are getting worked up because 40 somethings might have to wait a little longer.

The ability to rationalize and put things into perspective has well and truly gone!

As an under 40 I agree. People are losing sight of what lockdown was for in the first place - lockdown was never to protect us under 40s! It was to protect the NHS and the vulnerable.

Yes I know that same as closing schools wasent for the safety of our teachers or children they merely vectors of transmission.

My issue is we not reached level of %- vaccinated to achieve what we call herd immunity.
So why we saying no masks no some travel from may 17th.
Anyone in thier 40s who been vaccinated last couple weeks or due to be vaccinated within next few weeks will have zero protection from covid and we told the India variant 60% more transmissible.
Books is not prepared to do localised lockdowns or restrict travel.
Theres community spread now in towns a distance apart.
Sky news is reporting that if Indian varient takes off it could become the most dominant strain of corona virus causing a 3rd wave and leading many 40 year old being hospitalised as the risk to 40 to 50 is greater than 18 to 30 which are are currently being vaccinated in some areas ahead of older people in other areas the systems grossly unfair and under 30s under less risk corona virus and get a choice of vaccines

If you are healthy, with no underlying conditions with a healthy BMI in your 40s covid poses no realistic threat to you

There you have it. Very many people in their 40s have underlying conditions or are overweight.

Group 6 only included BMI over a certain level. Lots of people will be overweight but not quite made it into the CV group.

And - lots of people have undiagnosed underlying conditions. This applies to all ages but it's common to develop issues in your 40s. Hence the NHS health checks starting at 40...

There's also Long Covid to think about.

percentage of over-18s vaccinated in UK

68.6% - 1st dose
36.7% - 2nd dose

and the numbers are going up every day

And also the risk of death being lower for younger ages depends to an extent on them being able to access hospital care. If capacity is full, level of risk changes.

Firstly I'd stop watching sky news because they are thriving on scaremongering this past year along with all the other news outlets in this country.

Secondly 18-30 year olds in my area, Wales, are not getting the choice of vaccine. They can't have AZ so they have to have one of the others available, exactly the same as the 30-40 age group. Maybe it's different across the country but I've not heard of anyone going to their appointment and being able to choose what vaccine they have.

capacity in hospitals is not full - and is actually the only thing that matters. Cases don't matter. Deaths don't matter. The only thing that matters is hospitalisations. The government's top line policy is to protect the NHS so that it doesn't become overwhelmed - everything else is secondary.

If you are healthy, with no underlying conditions with a healthy BMI in your 40s covid poses no realistic threat to you

I believe Long Covid is believed to be more prevalent amongst women aged 40-49?

@Tealightsandd

If you are healthy, with no underlying conditions with a healthy BMI in your 40s covid poses no realistic threat to you

There you have it. Very many people in their 40s have underlying conditions or are overweight.

Group 6 only included BMI over a certain level. Lots of people will be overweight but not quite made it into the CV group.

And - lots of people have undiagnosed underlying conditions. This applies to all ages but it's common to develop issues in your 40s. Hence the NHS health checks starting at 40...

There's also Long Covid to think about.

I'm overweight. That's my own fault. The world can't stop because of it.

@Waxonwaxoff0

“ I'm overweight. That's my own fault. The world can't stop because of it.”

Ditto, although I’m on high dose steroids which has contributed. Nonetheless, I’m trying to get my weight down and improve my diet. It’s very slow but I’m getting there. It’s not like it’s news that being overweight is a risk factor. We’ve known for months. The world must go on as much as possible.

It's so disheartening. I'm 32 and desperate for a vaccine. I'm heavily pregnant and due to have my baby in 3 weeks by c section. Due to pregnancy, postpartum and surgery I'm vulnerable and will be for a while. Yet no priority to vaccine and have to wait until 32yr olds are called up .... given today's news that gov will prioritise moving up second doses for 50s it means my first dose is likely now even further away. I've got school aged kid, and teacher husband - both mixing in schools where vast majority of adults are unvaccinated (due to demographic). I just feel totally forgotten about.

Pfft. For all we know, over 50s being double vaccinated faster could protect 40 somethings for long enough to be able to retain the preferred gap between their 2 doses (closer to 12 weeks than 8 - there is evidence this makes AZ more effective), so they could end up amongst the best protected. Likewise, if it turns out vaccine mixing trials do indicate better protection than same-doses, the results of those trials could coincide with when 2nd jabs are due for 40-somethings, so they start to be offered that opportunity.

I don’t see the point in looking into the vast unknown and concluding prematurely that you’ve been shafted, as that’s just a depressing way to live through a pandemic.

I'm furious about it. The young being neglected yet again. I wouldn't be bothered if Boris had shut the borders but yet again, so bloody slow to react. How is it even possible that the Indian variant is here with the 2 week quarantine? It's a joke and we will pay the price.

I wonder how many will have died by the time I get my vaccine. I just Hope it doesn't include me