Indian variant in London

[Tealightsandd]

Huge number of cases in London - and it's spreading rapidly. London is higher risk already due to density of population and being frontline of international travel.

The other areas with high rates of the Indian variant are doing surge vaccination. They've been sent extra supply and vaccines are being offered to all over 18s.

Why aren't Londoners being offered the same protection?

Bearing in mind (for the many who don't care about Londoners) that people are much more likely to travel to and from London across the country - potentially spreading it out elsewhere. So it's in the interests of the whole country to give London the same protection offered to Bolton and Blackburn.

Anyway. That will teach me to check in here on a late night. So much for a quick calm scroll Luckily I've got tomorrow off and can lie in bed all morning. DP is doing the morning stuff and chores. I guess that's me being entitled 🤷

*Sefton now Section

@Oblomov21

What? How is this the Governments fault? It's spreading within the Indian community, like it did in Bolton. and they have to be held responsible for their actions. this has nothing to do with the government.

They let travel to and from India continue for ages after this variant became a concern.

Op people have not tried to rubbish London or say it’s not entitled ‘because it’s london’. I - and others- simply pointed out that London is in no way the same situation as others

You are leading with one slice of data which suits your argument

Fact is London isn’t in top 7 of uk overall covid deaths - FACT according to latest ONS data. That’s from March to today (not cherry picking March to Dec).

The screen shot I showed you showing Indian covid case rate shows London is nowhere near one of the worst places at the moment

London city is ‘a city’ but London as a whole is 9 million people which is not much bigger than the entire north west!! We all also move across the north west eg I live Lancs and work in Liverpool - everyone lives across cities these days so you’re not unique. You cannot treat one place (with a population 1/6 of UK) as ‘a city’

You can’t treat it as a whole because one area in London may be high and others not in same way Bolton is very high currently and my area of lancs is way below average

Splitting does not ‘hide’ figures at all - in fact it highlights bad areas better!

You’re defo on an agenda here as the actual ONS data doesn’t support any of your claims at all

So yes of course London should get surge vaccines but it should join the queue behind those areas who are higher - a lot higher - and need it more

10,000 Londoners already dead. More avoidable deaths will happen so that the government can pander to the bigots like those on this thread.

10,000 deaths is around 8% of the UK’s deaths from covid. London has around 13% of the UK population

I never understand the anti London sentiment on Mumsnet. The majority of us are just like everyone else in the country, working to pay mortgages, feed our kids, keep a roof over our heads. London isn't all like the West End and Made in Chelsea.

Covid deaths to date show London ‘as a whole 🙄’ is much lower for deaths from covid

Deaths in 28 days vs deaths with covid on cert

Mrsmonet

The op has made this anti London which no one was

Think was purely based on data

Op, what is the rate per 100k in London and Bromley in particular?

I’ve found this article which says Bromley is around 14. Yes, lower than the national average.

Bolton is 193.
That’s over 13 times higher than Bromley

I understand what you’re saying about London transport but if London was an connected enough to be treated as one covid area then we’d be seeing similar rates across area

We are not

It was high and low areas like all other regions

Treating it as one would mask those high places

If you inc my lancs figures with Bolton it’d reduce theirs massively

@Username198
Spot on! Bolton has july with rule of 6 outside since last March. I don’t want special treatment but I do want London vaccinated as if not we’ll go back into lockdown because London has a problem

By calling for the whole of London to be mass vaccinated, why can't you see that takes vaccines away from others who are also at risk. Like those travellers you mentioned that come through London, since its so connected. You want to take vaccines from them, and give to London as a whole.

Surge vaccinate in areas where its needed - and that doesn't mean all of London, because the figures show that all of London are not a huge concern at the moment. Individual areas will be added to that list as it becomes necessary.

@Tealightsandd

Now I see why people are so keen on the RTFT...

Yes indeed @LovePoppy
Omg indeed. It's strange isn't it. I post asking for London to be included as well as the other high rate Indian strain areas but apparently some posters think only their area should have this. It wouldn't affect them to include the other high risk areas. It's just because tantrum.

I had read the full thread thanks

If you had read my post, you’d see I was saying that Toronto was expecting other areas of the country to send vaccines and staff.

Neither of those are infinite resources here in Canada. I assume they aren’t in England either?

Vaccines being reallocated DOES actually impact ofher areas, you see?

If also read on this thread how the map posted about the map showing rates posted last night was skewed.

It’s not about having a tantrum, it’s about realizing it’s not all about the “economic centers of the country”.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9575635/More-80-40s-England-one-Covid-vaccine-dose.html

Just seen this. The bottom 10 areas for vaccine uptake in over 40’s are all in the London area. Wonder why this is? Why are so many Londoners refusing the jab?

@alphajuliet123

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9575635/More-80-40s-England-one-Covid-vaccine-dose.html

Just seen this. The bottom 10 areas for vaccine uptake in over 40’s are all in the London area. Wonder why this is? Why are so many Londoners refusing the jab?

I saw a young Asian woman on a TV program who had lost so many family members, they wouldn't have the vaccine because they only watched the Indian news channels where everything was hunky dory. They didn't trust it. She named many who had died in her block of flats. I hope now if the overseas news are reporting honestly that the mindset will change.

The young woman was heartbroken it should have been shown in the early evening rather than the early hours

The area by area case rate is very easily available. London, including Bromley has very low Covid rates at the moment. Bolton is visible at a glance, nearly ten times the UK average.
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

@SonnetForSpring I can't open the photo, which site do you use for stats?

I am in Bromley and I find it hard to believe that those statistics are reflective of the current case numbers here. The Indian variant has been discovered in DC’s school. There have been several cases since Easter and we have just been informed that PHE is setting up mobile testing there for all staff and pupils next week (PCR not lateral flow).

@Lalalablahblahblah

Quote about the Indian variant from the BBC news website today More than 30% of cses are in London, followed by 25% in the North West, 12% in Eastern England, 10% in the East Midlands and 8% in the South East.

Any idea what that is in proportion to populations though?

That will be case numbers rather than case rate

London’s as whole has a population 1/6 of entire UK

Whereas Huffpost says

The cases are spread across the country, with the majority in the North West, mainly in Bolton, Sefton in Merseyside, Blackburn in Lancashire, and London.

I live in bromley. 7 cases per day so 50% of that is 3 or 4. Hardly much to get excited about. They were very timely with jab calling. In another stat I saw our rates were going down week in week. If we get lockdowned for this I'll be fuming. I would like to know rates of hospitalisation. If it's going around the schools and no one is too ill what is the real issue (assuming that granny is vaccinated!).