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Indian variant - will the roadmap be delayed?

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nonono1 · 12/05/2021 17:35

I was feeling very hopeful about the future until reading that the Indian variant is now spreading fast in some communities.

In light of this, do you think we will stick to the roadmap as planned, or will restrictions be kept in place for longer? It seems like we're still going ahead with the big opening up on Monday.

Also, what about weddings? My SIL is getting married in August and we're really hoping it will still go ahead!

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JanFebAnyMonth · 12/05/2021 21:41

Think the vaccine bus is only for those who are currently on the list though @TruelyWonder, ie by age and vulnerability/ job

Fixitup2 · 12/05/2021 21:41

I’m absolutely furious about this. I’m also not far from Bolton and sometimes work there. The Asian community there have been reluctant to get the vaccine which is why it’s spreading so easily, plus Bolton is deprived and there’s a lot of overcrowding in the areas affected. I just can’t understand why travel to India was allowed for so long. Truth is that people returning probably won’t have isolated on return either, many of the men in these communities in Bolton that I’ve worked with are taxi drivers so it will spread. If local lockdowns come in it will be awful as Bolton has had the highest of restrictions since July. The government have a lot to answer for yet again.

worriedatthemoment · 12/05/2021 21:47

@JanFebAnyMonth someone on another thread said was walk in clinics and didn't say it was for set age

worriedatthemoment · 12/05/2021 21:47

@JanFebAnyMonth apparently because some vaccines left so could just be coincidence as opposed to planned

TruelyWonder · 12/05/2021 21:49

@JanFebAnyMonth

Think the vaccine bus is only for those who are currently on the list though *@TruelyWonder*, ie by age and vulnerability/ job
Probably no idea the news article didn't say. Either way they are at least trying to speed up vaccinations a bit more there
Wellbythebloodyhell · 12/05/2021 21:51

Also in the NW, if cases continue to rise then I forsee restrictions lifted as predicted on the 21st June with the exception of GM that will return to local restrictions. Local restrictions never really worked the first time though so can't imagine it will do this time.
Andy Burnham is pushing for vaccines in the over 16s in some districts but given that some of these areas have a low uptake of vaccine already this is likely to be replicated in the younger generations too.

EasterEggBelly · 12/05/2021 21:55

I hope not. I’m supposed to be reopening my business on Monday. I’ve paid for advertising. I’ve paid a load of money out to reopen and I’ve taken money to secure bookings.

It’s the first time I will have seen any customers face to face since December.

I even got vaccinated as some customers asked me about this. Suffered the shitty side effects.

I’m ready to go. I need to go. I can’t keep picking myself up off the floor.

Frazzled2207 · 12/05/2021 21:56

@Fixitup2

I’m absolutely furious about this. I’m also not far from Bolton and sometimes work there. The Asian community there have been reluctant to get the vaccine which is why it’s spreading so easily, plus Bolton is deprived and there’s a lot of overcrowding in the areas affected. I just can’t understand why travel to India was allowed for so long. Truth is that people returning probably won’t have isolated on return either, many of the men in these communities in Bolton that I’ve worked with are taxi drivers so it will spread. If local lockdowns come in it will be awful as Bolton has had the highest of restrictions since July. The government have a lot to answer for yet again.
Totally agree.

What I don't get though is, although the government clearly didn't put India on the red list anywhere near soon enough, why were people able to travel there before? I thought unless you had some very good reason you couldn't. Or were people just lying?

Fixitup2 · 12/05/2021 22:05

Some will have been lying, others will have gone for work, caring for family which was allowed, travel for weddings and funerals also was allowed. It’s just outrageous.

Wellbythebloodyhell · 12/05/2021 22:11

@Fixitup2

Some will have been lying, others will have gone for work, caring for family which was allowed, travel for weddings and funerals also was allowed. It’s just outrageous.
That's ridiculous, you couldn't travel attend a wedding in the UK and funerals were at very limited numbers yet it was ok to travel abroad to do such thing, absolute madness Confused
Bluntness100 · 12/05/2021 22:14

Nah, it won’t change, the variant may well be more transmissable, but looks less virulent, less serious illness and the vaccines still effective. Lockdown was to prevent pressure on the nhs. Nothing will change

MintyMabel · 12/05/2021 22:24

What is the fucking point of vaccines?

The point is they only work for society as a whole when herd immunity is reached by having a certain percentage fully vaccinated. We aren’t anywhere near that so it’s foolish to think they would make a big difference at this stage.

Bluntness100 · 12/05/2021 22:25

@MintyMabel

What is the fucking point of vaccines?

The point is they only work for society as a whole when herd immunity is reached by having a certain percentage fully vaccinated. We aren’t anywhere near that so it’s foolish to think they would make a big difference at this stage.

Don’t be daft.you only have to look at the hospital admissions no death rates to see they are making a huge difference, 😂
TheKeatingFive · 12/05/2021 22:27

Don’t be daft.you only have to look at the hospital admissions no death rates to see they are making a huge difference

Exactly. It never fails to surprise me what utter claptrap people come out with on here.

Wellbythebloodyhell · 12/05/2021 22:31

what is the fucking point of vaccines?

Absolutely sod all if there's a high percentage of communities that have refused the vaccine altogether

Fixitup2 · 12/05/2021 22:35

I know of a few people with Covid at the moment in Bolton, all work in the areas with high rates. 3 work in a nursery and 1 works for the council but goes out to houses. None have had the vaccine as they’re too young. Andy Burnhams plan isn’t a bad one. There’s a fair few school bubbles bursting as well in Bolton from what friends living there have said. The disruption isn’t good when businesses are just opening back up etc.

TableFlowerss · 12/05/2021 22:44

@blueangel19

Well this means we will never leave this stupid circle. 95 % of vulnerable are vaccinated. Anti virals are coming. What else could be done? Enough is enough!
Some people will only be suited if there are zero covid deaths.

Same posters arguing week in week out, on the same types of threads about how lockdown should be longer bla bla bla bla

I genuinely think some people are so far removed from reality because they’ve been living in their little bubble happily that they don’t care if nothing ever opens up again

Dolciedolly · 12/05/2021 22:51

@blueangel19

Well this means we will never leave this stupid circle. 95 % of vulnerable are vaccinated. Anti virals are coming. What else could be done? Enough is enough!
Totally agree we have to live with it now they have said the vaccines work against it !
Fixitup2 · 12/05/2021 22:54

I agree. Those that have chosen to not have the vaccine need to live with their decision now not drag the rest of us down. Of course they’ve always got the opportunity to have the vaccine. Most of my friends are under 40 though so I worry about them, hopefully the whole adult population will be done/offered it soon.

worriedatthemoment · 12/05/2021 23:08

@MintyMabel but they are making a difference that has been sAid , have you not seem latest figures
In some areas you will have lower uptakes and we don't force people to have it
We can't stay locked up forever

RedcurrantPuff · 12/05/2021 23:12

I’m just amazed anyone is following any of this tripe any more. We’re meant to be grateful the gov are allowing hugs meantime they are the ones who have allowed the variants to take hold.

I think the time has come to stop focusing on “cases” and look at hospitalisation and deaths.

MintyMabel · 12/05/2021 23:12

but they are making a difference that has been sAid , have you not seem latest figures In some areas you will have lower uptakes and we don't force people to have it. We can't stay locked up forever

Making a difference, sure. Making enough of a difference, not yet.

You can’t just decide what we can and can’t do because if suits you. Covid doesn’t care what you think we can’d do. Nobody has even suggested it’s forever, the forecasts for vaccination coverage are good.

RedcurrantPuff · 12/05/2021 23:13

@Pivotthesofa

I hope not, we've got a hotel night away next week and I cannot wait. However, that frivolous wish aside, I hope this new strain doesn't cause another wave, it would be absolutely awful. The scenes coming out of India are pretty frightening, lots of young people seem to be affected and these are the groups that haven't been vaccinated over here yet, so I'm hoping it doesn't get a proper foothold.

I think we are more likely to open up for two weeks then have a grave press briefing about tiers being reintroduced in certain places.

I think a lot of India’s woes were down to the Kent variant.
Thewiseoneincognito · 12/05/2021 23:13

The horse has already bolted on the Indian variant, now we wait for the numbers to start ticking up, the question is how fast. The big problem would be if it starts showing up in the vaccinated, which I believe is the main concern. Remain hopeful things don’t fluctuate too much but also pragmatic incase we end up taking a few steps backwards.

Side note: I seem to be noticing a heck of a lot of people coughing in the shops at the moment- anyone else?

MintyMabel · 12/05/2021 23:14

Don’t be daft.you only have to look at the hospital admissions no death rates to see they are making a huge difference

You probably shouldn’t debate issues you don’t understand.