Indian variant - will the roadmap be delayed?

[nonono1]

I was feeling very hopeful about the future until reading that the Indian variant is now spreading fast in some communities.

In light of this, do you think we will stick to the roadmap as planned, or will restrictions be kept in place for longer? It seems like we're still going ahead with the big opening up on Monday.

Also, what about weddings? My SIL is getting married in August and we're really hoping it will still go ahead!

Tea we have fallen under 1000 covid patients in hospital in the whole of the UK now

My London health trust. Which has 5 large London hospitals in it has less 26 covid patients. Only 3 of them are on a ventilator

I can't be arsed to add up all the London hospital patients but overall a very small number compared with January.

@SonnetForSpring

The main issue for the UK is attitude. It's a very individualistic very Thatcherite 'no such thing as society' one here. Other countries are more civic minded. Less defeatist too. 'We can't' is a popular UK phrase.

Boris - delayed lockdown one - the circuit breaker in September and didn't cancel Christmas and tens of thousands of folk died as a consequence of his decisions. He is a tortured soul now advisers advise minsters decide. His call.

[quote Tealightsandd]@SonnetForSpring

The main issue for the UK is attitude. It's a very individualistic very Thatcherite 'no such thing as society' one here. Other countries are more civic minded. Less defeatist too. 'We can't' is a popular UK phrase.[/quote]
Utter rubbish.

Compliance has been good.

People have such low perception of others esp their own country

That’s the depressing part

[quote Tealightsandd]@SonnetForSpring

The main issue for the UK is attitude. It's a very individualistic very Thatcherite 'no such thing as society' one here. Other countries are more civic minded. Less defeatist too. 'We can't' is a popular UK phrase.[/quote]
Wow😯

His call

No actually. The people’s call. He’d need compliance.

So if one London trust has around 25, perhaps 100/200 across London?

It's obviously too soon to tell. I'd say what we need to know now (for all areas across the UK) is:

• How many in hospital have the Indian strain.

• have they been vaccinated - and if so, one or both doses, and which vaccine.

This information would be helpful, I think.

Well, it looks like the press conference tonight has answered my question. As someone whose livelihood has been destroyed by this fucking pandemic, I’m devastated that the roadmap could be delayed. I really thought the end was in sight. The most vulnerable have now been vaccinated - why can’t we get back to normal life as planned?

Docsmix

Do the vaccines work against the Indian one? My sister has just called to say they've set up a mobile testing centre as they've got it in her postcode.“

Not known yet.
The epidemiologist on Today this morning was inclined to think that it would at worst be slightly less efficacious, the current vaccines have remained effective against all other strains. If they’re not, many experts have said it’s an easy process to “tweak” them to defeat various mutations.

We need to get over this collective obsession with infection rate: if people aren’t seriously ill or hospitalised, which atm seems to remain the case, it’s pretty much irrelevant.

(For context, I and my CEV husband were fully supportive of lockdowns, thought the Govt. should have been swifter in doing so. Thanks to the brilliant vaccines though, we’ve moved on to a much better place).

Do you think our holiday to Cornwall in July will be cancelled?

If the government is continuing to allow people to fly here from other countries, then I don’t see how they can justify banning UK residents from holidaying in the UK.

Wrt 'we can't'. Admittedly, I'm going off MN. Which probably isn't representative of the whole country. Tbf outside of MN, I saw a lot more support for my preference of border restrictions and proper quarantine, whereas on MM it seemed quite unpopular - with lots of 'we can'ts'.

@Tealightsandd

So if one London trust has around 25, perhaps 100/200 across London?

It's obviously too soon to tell. I'd say what we need to know now (for all areas across the UK) is:

• How many in hospital have the Indian strain.

• have they been vaccinated - and if so, one or both doses, and which vaccine.

This information would be helpful, I think.

Exactly the information SAGE will be looking at in the next couple of weeks. Whitty said today it was to early to say and they needed to watch and collect the evidence

I mean do you remember the worry when the south African variant appeared here. So far that is a lot less worrying to us. So lets let them do their thing and give it a couple of weeks.

@Tealightsandd

Wrt 'we can't'. Admittedly, I'm going off MN. Which probably isn't representative of the whole country. Tbf outside of MN, I saw a lot more support for my preference of border restrictions and proper quarantine, whereas on MM it seemed quite unpopular - with lots of 'we can'ts'.

No your take on people not complying is misplaced

It doesn’t matter if you have a steady stream of border closure advocates it’s not happening is it? No matter how much you talk about defeatism

You’ll give up eventually I guess! In a few years maybe

Lots of British exceptionalism too. When a 'we can't' is shown examples of other countries who said 'we can', it's met with 'but we're different'.

@Tealightsandd

Lots of British exceptionalism too. When a 'we can't' is shown examples of other countries who said 'we can', it's met with 'but we're different'.

Oh man not that tired old phrase

@TheKeatingFive that is the great unknown and what SAGE have already considered.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/12286510/army-local-lockdowns-riots/

why can’t we get back to normal life as planned?

As was explained, because the variant is more transmissible, so there's a risk of rapid spread. We will know more soon.

I know how frustrating it is, but it is a natural phenomenon, it isn't on a schedule.

@MarshaBradyo
Oh I know we're not going to do it.

3 years? I can see me still banging on about it years later to disinterested great grandchildren... It's probably going to be my last words. 'When we had the pandemic, we should've had border restrictions and proper quarantine'.

@Tealightsandd

Lots of British exceptionalism too. When a 'we can't' is shown examples of other countries who said 'we can', it's met with 'but we're different'.

Where are you from Tea? I am guessing you live in London but were not raised in the UK

[quote Tealightsandd]@MarshaBradyo
Oh I know we're not going to do it.

3 years? I can see me still banging on about it years later to disinterested great grandchildren... It's probably going to be my last words. 'When we had the pandemic, we should've had border restrictions and proper quarantine'. [/quote]
Ha

I’ll just be telling them it was so bad and lockdown was terrible

Distant memory by then!

that is the great unknown and what SAGE have already considered

Haha, the government that get the army out to enforce lockdown will have riots on their hands. They know this.

I'm British and raised here by British born and raised parents @TruelyWonder
I agree though that I'd probably fit in more elsewhere. The stork must've had a mix-up.

@TheKeatingFive

that is the great unknown and what SAGE have already considered

Haha, the government that get the army out to enforce lockdown will have riots on their hands. They know this.

Wouldn't the media like that. I'm sure they'll do their best to stir things but really the majority of the British public are quite compliant and want to do what's best.

but really the majority of the British public are quite compliant and want to do what's best.

Can’t you see the tide turning, even on here? Gosh.

As was explained, because the variant is more transmissible, so there's a risk of rapid spread. We will know more soon.

@picturesandpickles you missed off the first half of my sentence though, which was that the most vulnerable (who are far more likely to get seriously ill and die from Covid) have now been vaccinated. So why can’t we get back to normal now as planned? The initial aim was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. The goalposts keep shifting.