Indian Variant of Concern

[MakkaPakkasSpongyThing]

Would like to ask those who have more knowledge than me!

1. there is no evidence - as yet, that it could evade the vaccine?
2. is it too early to tell (lag effect)?
3. could it become more problematic come winter time, if so why?
4. is it a variant of concern to all countries worldwide, or just some?
5. with a potential 3rd jab on its way to protect against variants, how is it possible to protect against a variant when it’s potential impact is not yet know? Surely it takes more time?

@Torvean people don’t want to hear bad news, so they blame the messenger.

@Torvean

Here is something useful

BBC News - WHO says India Covid variant of 'global concern'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57067190

I never posted saying it was coming to the UK. I was talking of the variant and India.
If someone read that incorrectly it's not my fault.

I don't scaremongering I leave that to the anti-vaccers and now the I'm only having 1 dose of AZ.

I'm off this thread. Going back to rational , polite ppl in mn

This link in NO way explains your initial post.

This article does not talk about evading the vaccine. They just don't know yet. Your first post was very incorrect and scaremongering.

@Torvean That article literally says “The WHO says current vaccines will continue to be effective against the Indian variant”

You aren’t making any sense

I read a lot of vaccine papers

What are 'vaccine papers'? The Daily Pfizer? The AZ Times?

There is no 'Indian variant' which evades all known vaccines. You made that up.

@IcedPurple

I read a lot of vaccine papers

What are 'vaccine papers'? The Daily Pfizer? The AZ Times?

There is no 'Indian variant' which evades all known vaccines. You made that up.

Ones you might not be entitled to unless you're part of vaccine research. Medical journals you pay for. But like I say I'm out of here. I'll discuss things with ppl who don't call ppl names. So like I said I'm out

@Torvean please show evidence that the India variant evades vaccines ? You may be right. But I would like to read it.

[quote MakkaPakkasSpongyThing]@amylou8 that’s interesting. I wonder if the Kent variant is responsible for most deaths in UK/Europe? Indian variant - most deaths in India? Brazilian variant - most deaths in Brazil - or South America as a whole? Which variants cause the highest death rates in which country/continent?[/quote]
Originally it was the UK strain that was causing a lot of problems in India.

This is a very informative Twitter thread from yesterday on the Indian variant and why it is a concern in the UK, from a scientist who has called everything right throughout the pandemic so far threadreaderapp.com/thread/1391819639429140484.html This variant is thought to be more transmissible than the Kent B117 variant, so the concern is that it could spread very quickly through the unvaccinated, especially in places like schools where there are lots of unvaccinated people close together. We can expect it to quickly replace B117 as the major circulating strain in the UK, as B117 replaced the previous ones. There is some evidence of partial immune escape with this variant - the vaccine (or antibodies from a previous infection) will still protect people, but not quite as well as against previous variants. UK vaccine roll out has been brilliant but there are still lots of unvaccinated people, and long covid is a concern if the new variant takes off here as lockdown restrictions are eased.

[quote Rosehip10]@amylou8 You honestly think that deaths are being recorded properly in India? You can take their government's published death rates with a pinch of salt.[/quote]
An Indian friend (lives in the uk) suggested to multiply the official Indian figures by 30.

@Torvean ah okay so fail to produce evidence to back up your scare-mongering, chuck around some baseless insults and flounce.

@Torvean
People are not intentionally being rude to you. They are pointing out that what you said was actually untrue, and very irresponsible. People are anxious enough just now as it's a very difficult time, and stating stuff like * "There is no vaccine that covers it yet*" is really unhelpful.

@RiskyReels - thank you! I think summer time will slow transmission rates, although I’m not sure why? Also wondering if - in India - for those who have been partially/fully vaccinated, has the variant caused any deaths?

@PeterPomegranate, "An Indian friend (lives in the uk) suggested to multiply the official Indian figures by 30."

I don't doubt that there are inaccuracies in their death count, but where did you friend get the 30x figure from?

I suspect the Indian covid death rate should be multiplied by about 10-15, but not x30. Some decent Twitter threads on that.

We were talking last week and she mentioned the 30* figure. I admit I don’t know where she got it from. She is quite a serious person who is keeping in touch with the situation in India (family there) but perhaps I shouldn’t have shared the figure here only on the basis of what she said.

But I think it’s pretty well established that the official Indian government figures are nowhere in the ballpark of being accurate.

It certainly feels like everyone I know who has family in India (a lot as we live in an area with a large south Asian population) has had family members die from covid. My friend mentioned above lost her aunt. My son’s school friend was crying over his grandmother recently. It seems to have hit every family.

Ones you might not be entitled to unless you're part of vaccine research. Medical journals you pay for.
But like I say I'm out of here. I'll discuss things with ppl who don't call ppl names.
So like I said I'm out

Bye then.

What absolute blatant bullshit being spouted on here,

Certain posters ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[quote MakkaPakkasSpongyThing]@RiskyReels - thank you! I think summer time will slow transmission rates, although I’m not sure why? Also wondering if - in India - for those who have been partially/fully vaccinated, has the variant caused any deaths?[/quote]
www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/covid-vaccine-delhi-hospital-study-b1845438.html

Study found 1 in 7 healthcare workers still infected - but only 1 required hospitalision.
Seems positive. (athough there's long Covid to consider).

@Torvean I would also like to read the journal articles that suggest that one of the Indian variants is not covered by any of our vaccines. Could you please share the links? Even if the main article is behind a pay wall the abstracts should be available and tell us enough.

Haha at “Medical journals you pay for”

I like many people have access to journals via work, so they can be linked to on here and even if some can only access the abstract, many will be able to access them in full. They aren’t that exclusive

Interesting article, it’s looking very promising re vaccines and variants

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57073312

Could you please share the links? Even if the main article is behind a pay wall the abstracts should be available and tell us enough.

You’ll be waiting a long time.

This very quickly became a disinformation thread.

Here are some Twitter threads I consider reputable and reassuring. Obviously unknowns remain.

mobile.twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1391869808858238979

mobile.twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1392082433365970944

Keep calm and get your vaccine.

@Torvean I work in this field and the major academic publishers have made all covid- and vaccine-related material free to access. So do please share links. Even preprints and material in peer-review is being made available, so I find it very hard to believe that it’s all behind a paywall.