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InnerDiscomfort · 2021-05-08T19:18:04+00:00

Not looking to start a fight, but interested if you have made the decision not to get the vaccine and have no condition that you know of that would stop you, why not? Family members abroad have decided not to get the vaccine (Pfizer I think). Vague concerns about it not being safe and/ or tested enough. They both work outside the home and have families. Fairly fit and healthy so unlikely to be seriously affected by COVID, under 50 years of age. It's not something I agree with but up to them I guess. I'm also unlikely to get ill but had my first vaccine mainly to help stop the spread (and I'd like to go abroad!) So if you haven't had it, I'm interested in your reasoning if you would care to share.

LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 21:16

[quote MercyBooth]@LondonWFuck Im sorry to hear that

There was a woman in Glasgow who had a rare reaction to AZ Ended up covered in blood blisters , She was kept in for 16 days while they did tests. Had to use a wheelchair. My first thought on reading the article was to wonder what practical help she will be getting to help her at home. If any[/quote]
Well quite! Poor woman.

LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 21:17

[quote MercyBooth]@LondonWFuck Im sorry to hear that

There was a woman in Glasgow who had a rare reaction to AZ Ended up covered in blood blisters , She was kept in for 16 days while they did tests. Had to use a wheelchair. My first thought on reading the article was to wonder what practical help she will be getting to help her at home. If any[/quote]
Thank you 💞💞

babbaloushka · 09/05/2021 21:19

@XenoBitch Not sure where I've called anyone selfish? Your words, not mine.

CathyorClaire · 09/05/2021 21:23

I've had both (and am still here) mainly because life will be untenable without.

Everyone I know who is eligible has had at least one bar one who is a flat earther...

XenoBitch · 09/05/2021 21:25

[quote babbaloushka]@XenoBitch Not sure where I've called anyone selfish? Your words, not mine.[/quote]
Sorry, just too used to people calling out those who are hesitant or has an anxiety about the vaccine, selfish.
Like a PP said, you attract flies with honey, not vinegar.

Indoctro · 09/05/2021 21:27

@LondonWFuck

I want Pfizer or Moderna but am not willing to take AZ. I'm just too old to be able to be given a choice (I'm 40). If the risk of clots for a 39 year old is considered so bad that they will now be offered an alternative, I consider the risk to be too high for me too. Plus jabs - so far at least - do not look like they will be a requirement for travel, which was the main reason for me to get it done.

I'd have Pfizer or Moderna like a shot (ha!) though.

@LondonWFuck you do know the risk of the clot Is not actually anything to do with the persons age, you are no more at risk of a clot than say a 80 year old. It's the risk covid poses to you v the risk of the clot. A younger person is less at risk of covid complications so they take the risk of the clot against the risk from the vaccine , hope that makes sense x

babbaloushka · 09/05/2021 21:33

@XenoBitch Did you not see my post inviting people to share their concerns and message me if they think I might be able to help? Selective eyesight, methinks...

XenoBitch · 09/05/2021 21:36

[quote babbaloushka]@XenoBitch Did you not see my post inviting people to share their concerns and message me if they think I might be able to help? Selective eyesight, methinks...[/quote]
Ha, you are right. If you can help anyone, then fair play :)

LondonWFuck · 09/05/2021 21:37

@Indoctro yes I understand that.

PetraRabbit · 09/05/2021 22:09

babbaloushka
I appreciate your calm post. So many replies in favour of mass vaccination are hysterical and emotion driven.

I think the problem is that the questions I have are ones noone can answer without time travel!
They are: What will the long term effects of these vaccines be? I'm not looking for "all the evidence suggests" or "it follows that..." I'm only really going to be satisfied with the passage of time actually confirming safety over the next five to ten years. Even the best scientists get surprises sometimes.

My other question is whether any of the other vaccines will have their own 'Astra Zeneca moment' as more data becomes available? The blood clot issue was not predicted so it's hard to reassure me another issue is impossible.

That's really the essence of why most who are not keen will be unpersuadable.

whataballbag · 09/05/2021 22:22

@Indoctro that's not actually correct though is it? I'm sure that experts have agreed the younger you are the more likely to experience a VITT

MaxNormal · 09/05/2021 22:38

@Indoctro not actually true unfortunately. Risks rises as age lowers.

Tiredandgrumpynow · 09/05/2021 23:13

Interested to know whether any of you are in your 50s and have decided not to have it at the moment. I’m not an anti-vaxer nor do I believe any of the conspiracy theories but like many who have posted am concerned about the safety of the AZ, which is all that is being offered in my area. I’m reasonably healthy but take medication for tachicardia and have been really run down recently. I have an apt booked but am seriously thinking of cancelling - not forever but just until it all settles a bit.

I can’t understand why so many countries have differing cut-off ages for AZ - why are the UK saying not to give it to the under 40s yet with other countries the cut-off is the under 60s.

Plumedenom · 09/05/2021 23:27

I doubt I will convince anyone because people tend to be entrenched in their positions, but I've had flu and I have covid, and they are not the same. Covid itself is the risk, not pneumonia. You can feel it in your lungs, it destroys all the sustentacular cells in your nose so there is no way for you to smell and you have to retrain your nose-that is a common symptom and the treatment is essentially physiotherapy for your nose (smell training). Not being able to breathe well for weeks is a normal and mild symptom. My son was asymptomatic, but he still lost three weeks of his life in quarantine. The UK government are not making this up, all the governments in the world are not making this up. The only way out of this is the vaccine. The UK is returning to normal because of the vaccine. I live in Italy and we are not returning to normal because we are only 25% vaccinated, and not fully. Life is still a scary mess here, the r rate is still all over the place. You can tell yourselves you are special, you are young, you need not take the risk, but if you get even a mild case it may touch you in ways you don't expect, and you do risk giving it to immuno-compromised loved ones, even if they are vaccinated. I'm not saying the vaccine is risk free, but covid is a proven, high risk that I believe we have a responsibility to try and prevent. Ds picked it up in school from his teacher, it was not preventable. We haven't been anywhere this year, but school and work have to happen. What is the answer if not vaccination? Just let all immunocompromised people die? They rely on younger people getting it to make them safe.

TruelyWonder · 10/05/2021 00:56

@Tiredandgrumpynow

Interested to know whether any of you are in your 50s and have decided not to have it at the moment. I’m not an anti-vaxer nor do I believe any of the conspiracy theories but like many who have posted am concerned about the safety of the AZ, which is all that is being offered in my area. I’m reasonably healthy but take medication for tachicardia and have been really run down recently. I have an apt booked but am seriously thinking of cancelling - not forever but just until it all settles a bit.

I can’t understand why so many countries have differing cut-off ages for AZ - why are the UK saying not to give it to the under 40s yet with other countries the cut-off is the under 60s.

My husband has had both doses of AZ and is in his 50s

I am 46 and get my first AZ dose on Wednesday. Not been well enough up until now to have the jab. I can only have AZ because I may have an allergic reaction to Pfizer.

The other countries thing does seem to confuse and concern people a lot. You are not alone with that.

The simplest way to explain it is different countries have different covid case levels and different supply of vaccines. Also are vaccinating different age ranges to each other. All these things factor into the risk analysis for using AZ.

So if covid cases were still at the level we had at Christmas. If we didn't have enough other vaccines to use. Then we would still be using AZ for all age groups because the risk of covid would outweigh the risk of AZ clots for all.

Germany had made AZ for 60s and over. At the time they were vaccinating an older age range to us. So it didn't effect there roll out to much. However recently they have moved to younger age groups. Still have high numbers of covid and supply issues. So they have now made AZ available for all age ranges.

Denmark have been getting extra Pfizer because they are going into business with the company and Israel. Therefore they don't need AZ and aren't using it.

Different countries have different needs and different risk levels from covid is the very basic answer

MrsTroutfire · 10/05/2021 03:35

I only know one person in real life who have said they won’t be getting the vaccine. Unfortunately they are a Covid denying, anti vaxx nutter who believes the 5G conspiracy theories! Everyone else I know has said they are happy to have had it, regardless of which vaccine they had.

Same here. Of the two I know, one genuinely believes the earth is flat and the other believes all the YouTube guff about it being a common cold which was exaggerated to control the public.

Dontknowowt · 10/05/2021 04:33

My teenage son's advice is this...
Be wary of the jab-giver that tells you to look away. It's not because they don't want you to see the needle, it's because they don't want you to see the microchip!

Justa47 · 10/05/2021 05:16

@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

Yes I think vaccinations for Covid unless contraindicated should be compulsory.
We live in a community and while you say your choice about what you put in body it is by definition not others choice that you pass to them by allowing the virus to propagate in the un vaccinated population.

Hence unvaccinated remove choice from others.

It’s a pandemic it kills people and we can stop it.

Why would you not to the selfless act?

They is only one reason. You don’t like it being pointed out.

You bully others but having a it’s my body BS when you risk others lives.

How very sad

LunaLula83 · 10/05/2021 06:03

Good luck with that. I presume you won't be using public facilities, buildings, resturants and shops, airports, planes, public transport. Because that would be selfish wouldn't it.

LondonWFuck · 10/05/2021 06:08

[quote Justa47]@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

Yes I think vaccinations for Covid unless contraindicated should be compulsory.
We live in a community and while you say your choice about what you put in body it is by definition not others choice that you pass to them by allowing the virus to propagate in the un vaccinated population.

Hence unvaccinated remove choice from others.

It’s a pandemic it kills people and we can stop it.

Why would you not to the selfless act?

They is only one reason. You don’t like it being pointed out.

You bully others but having a it’s my body BS when you risk others lives.

How very sad[/quote]
😂ok then

Wellbythebloodyhell · 10/05/2021 07:00

[quote Justa47]@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

Yes I think vaccinations for Covid unless contraindicated should be compulsory.
We live in a community and while you say your choice about what you put in body it is by definition not others choice that you pass to them by allowing the virus to propagate in the un vaccinated population.

Hence unvaccinated remove choice from others.

It’s a pandemic it kills people and we can stop it.

Why would you not to the selfless act?

They is only one reason. You don’t like it being pointed out.

You bully others but having a it’s my body BS when you risk others lives.

How very sad[/quote]
Thankfully we don't live in Gilead 🤣

AppleJane · 10/05/2021 07:40

Blessed be the fruit 😂

whataballbag · 10/05/2021 07:59

Might be throwing the cat among the pigeons here but would the attitude be the same as say, your child playing on the park with an unvaccinated child (pre covid I mean)?

Would you demand their parents informed you of their vacc status first?

duffeldaisy · 10/05/2021 08:06

For anyone worried by people refusing, fortunately, the anti-vaxxers are in a very small minority. Looking at the latest stats, the take-up for over 50s so far for the first shot is:

Scotland 98%
England 95%
N Ireland 93%
Wales 92%.

(BBC, 2 days ago)

and there are still people who have travel difficulties/can't get time off work, as well as those who can't take it for medical reasons in that, so it could continue to go up as people finish their chemo or find a closer place to go.
I seem to remember they were hoping for a 70% take-up at least, so if this continues with lower age groups, then the ones who refuse won't have as much of a chance to spread it.

AppleJane · 10/05/2021 08:08

Would you demand their parents informed you of their vacc status first?

If your child was vaccinated why would you need to know?