Choosing not to get vaccine

[InnerDiscomfort]

Not looking to start a fight, but interested if you have made the decision not to get the vaccine and have no condition that you know of that would stop you, why not?

Family members abroad have decided not to get the vaccine (Pfizer I think). Vague concerns about it not being safe and/ or tested enough. They both work outside the home and have families. Fairly fit and healthy so unlikely to be seriously affected by COVID, under 50 years of age.

It's not something I agree with but up to them I guess. I'm also unlikely to get ill but had my first vaccine mainly to help stop the spread (and I'd like to go abroad!)

So if you haven't had it, I'm interested in your reasoning if you would care to share.

@Megan2018

DH (48 and fat) hasn’t had it yet, as he’s terrified of needles and is pretending that he has some kind of objection to the vaccine until it has been updated for the new variants In reality he’s holding out for the nasal spray he thinks is coming. I have given up arguing - I’ve had my first (AZ). I’m telling everyone I know how ridiculous he’s being, there’s loads of help for needle phobia but he doesn’t want to be helped. Twat.

I have read a nasal spray is coming (or being worked on at least). Phobias are irrational, vary in severity, and not all can be helped. Calling him a twat is not helpful at all, and sorry, but you sound horrid by telling everyone how ridiculous he is for something that is a recognised mental health condition. Show him support, not ridicule.

1.001% (I think they said), will die or suffer serious complications as a result of the AZ jab

That can't be right can it? Slightly over one in a hundred will die or have serious complications? Those are appalling odds.

@DenisetheMenace

LondonWFuck

DenisetheMenace
Today 11:36 LondonWFuck

One of my sister's friends unfortunately died after the AZ jab, also leaving behind two kids ☹️“

As a direct result of the vaccination?
Yes.”

I am very sorry to hear that, London. My condolences. I am assuming that your sister’s friend was young (under 40)?

I am strongly in favour of vaccines. My CEV husband has had both, I have had one (can’t wait for my second) and our (grown up children, youngest 18) will be taking theirs as soon as it is offered. Nothing to do with us. They’re autonomous and keen (particularly asthmatic child).
There was an interesting programme on the radio last week (maybe Inside Science) that broke the stats down for young people. Those, under 30, will, if I remember correctly suffer death or serious complications from Covid in 0.008% of those vaccinated whilst 1.001% (I think they said), will die or suffer serious complications as a result of the AZ jab. Comparable stats are not yet available for the other options So, there is clearly a case for young, healthy people to weigh up their options. On balance, though, qualified people still believe that it is in young people’s interests to receive one of the alternative jabs.

In the end, we are so lucky to live in a country where we have options.

Thanks. She was 44. I didn't actually know her but she was a good friend of my sister's. In fact, they had recently made plans to meet up. And then suddenly she was dead 😔

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Your poor husband *@Megan2018*. If someone told me that their husband was ridiculous because they had a phobia I tell them to stop being such a bitch and try showing some empathy.

You missed the point. He denies all knowledge that he has a phobia, he’s going around making up nonsense about the vaccine as a reason not to have it. He’s lying to all our families. I’m not having it. There’s nothing “poor” about him. I’ve offered endless support only for him to accuse me of being an idiot for having mine. Apparently I’m “a sheep” for believing it’s safe.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Haha me too, I go on their pages sometimes just to wind myself up! Why do they all have the exact same collection of theories?! Where do they learn them from?

I think they must all be followers of David Icke or someone like that. It just amazes me that people that I used to think were intelligent, relatively normal people are like this (not David Icke obviously!).

I appreciate we all have different opinions about the vaccine but it's one thing to have concerns about a medical procedure but another to think you've been injected with a bloody microchip!

It's very strange isn't it. And they all go on about being so "awakened". Meanwhile us non-anti-vaxx plebs are wandering around asleep, apparently.

@Megan2018 I believe the correct term is "sheeple" (if the lingo on my anti-vaccine fb friends' pages is anything to go by)😂

@MaxNormal in EU. Normally there are of course no restrictions and we don't even notice there is a border. But now it's test or vaccine.

@RubyTrees Be careful with the scapegoating there. Ppl might not be too keen about being told they have to have the jab for the greater good while you are shitting on those same people for being overweight. If ppl were that fucking concerned they could always show their concern a bit more at the polls. There is no fresh food at food banks. Also i successfully lost 10 stone back in the early 2000s Id kept it off too FOR WELL OVER FIFTEEN YEARS I used to comfort eat as a coping mechanism and thought those days were gone. UNTIL THE FIRST LOCKDOWN. I comfort ate to cope. I dont drink (im nearly 48 and have NEVER BEEN DRUNK) I dont smoke (i gave up in 2005 and have not touched a cig since) and drugs have NEVER interested me. Food was my drug of choice while i was obeying the rules to "protect" the NHS and everyone else. So to quote Father Ted.........careful now! The Gov (who most just voted for again while pretending to care about community) KNEW about the health problems in this country and still dithered.
Several weeks ago i thought id found a lump in my breast while in the bath (i cant feel it now and i was on my period at the time) but the first thought that entered my head was to keep it a secret from EVERYONE. Because the bullying, emotional blackmail, gaslighting and psychological abuse of the last 14 months has made me far far more scared of living than i am of dying and that is the honest truth!

@KatharinaRosalie ah okay. I would think that once the crises is over though they'll re-open the borders again?

“Thanks. She was 44. I didn't actually know her but she was a good friend of my sister's. In fact, they had recently made plans to meet up. And then suddenly she was dead 😔”

I’m so very sorry, LondonWFuck. That’s such an easy thing to say to an online stranger but it’s heartfelt.

@DenisetheMenace

“Thanks. She was 44. I didn't actually know her but she was a good friend of my sister's. In fact, they had recently made plans to meet up. And then suddenly she was dead 😔”

I’m so very sorry, LondonWFuck. That’s such an easy thing to say to an online stranger but it’s heartfelt.

Thank you 💞

If you're not getting the AZ vaccine because you're scared of blood clots, you''re not going to be happy to learn about the risk of a clot from a plane journey being 1 in 1,000...

@babbaloushka

If you're not getting the AZ vaccine because you're scared of blood clots, you''re not going to be happy to learn about the risk of a clot from a plane journey being 1 in 1,000...

It is a different type of clot.

@babbaloushka

If you're not getting the AZ vaccine because you're scared of blood clots, you''re not going to be happy to learn about the risk of a clot from a plane journey being 1 in 1,000...

Not this again.

Both types of clots can be treated at home or in hospital depending on the severity. Both types of clots have some people that recover and some that die. It doesn't matter if a different type. You wouldn't ideally want either. However you the majority of people survive both.

@LondonWFuck Im sorry to hear that

There was a woman in Glasgow who had a rare reaction to AZ Ended up covered in blood blisters , She was kept in for 16 days while they did tests. Had to use a wheelchair. My first thought on reading the article was to wonder what practical help she will be getting to help her at home. If any

I think, unfortunately, decreased social contact and widespread misinformation online has created the perfect crucible for vaccine hesitancy. Previously sensible and non-flustered friends have been sharing false vaccine "facts" on FaceAche, which in turn agitates more and more people.

It is normal to feel a little uncertain. Having a vaccine is not something to be sniffed at, and I understand that some consider it invasive. The most important thing to do is research from reputable, credible sources, listen to experts and ignore inflammatory posts online.

I'm a biochemist with a daughter working for Pfizer, both of us have been vaccinated (I am also needle phobic- no amount of "just man up" will stop me fainting) and am happy to help if people have queries I can address. Have had several PMs from other threads, and I will always take to time to discuss concerns.

@TruelyWonder

Both types of clots can be treated at home or in hospital depending on the severity. Both types of clots have some people that recover and some that die. It doesn't matter if a different type. You wouldn't ideally want either. However you the majority of people survive both.

Tell that to the families of the people who died from them.

I thought we wernt supposed to be putting any more pressure on the NHS. Having to treat the blood clots is doing just this surely NOT saying they should be untreated. It just seems to me that the pressure that ppl are told not to put on the NHS is starting to look somewhat selective?

@XenoBitch The point being that every single decision you make carries relative risk, every day. The response to the minuscule risk of clot from AZ (about 79 in 20 million iirc) is disproportionate and is affecting uptake to the detriment of public health.

You can say the same about other clots too. People that have other clots also have loved ones. People that have died of clots from covid had loved ones. The people that will die of covid in the future have loved ones. 7 million people so far. Many more to die yet. The majority of those with loved ones.

@MercyBooth

I thought we wernt supposed to be putting any more pressure on the NHS. Having to treat the blood clots is doing just this surely NOT saying they should be untreated. It just seems to me that the pressure that ppl are told not to put on the NHS is starting to look somewhat selective?

I rather think that the hundreds of thousands of COVID cases that might be avoided with vaccination outweigh the potential cost of treatment for less than 100 clot cases.

@MercyBooth

I thought we wernt supposed to be putting any more pressure on the NHS. Having to treat the blood clots is doing just this surely NOT saying they should be untreated. It just seems to me that the pressure that ppl are told not to put on the NHS is starting to look somewhat selective?

242 people have been reported to have AZ clots. A percentage of those didn't stay in hospital but were sent home with medication. Not exactly the same thing really.

[quote babbaloushka]@XenoBitch The point being that every single decision you make carries relative risk, every day. The response to the minuscule risk of clot from AZ (about 79 in 20 million iirc) is disproportionate and is affecting uptake to the detriment of public health.[/quote]
Is low uptake an issue? If it is, calling people selfish wont change anything.

@TruelyWonder

Both types of clots can be treated at home or in hospital depending on the severity. Both types of clots have some people that recover and some that die. It doesn't matter if a different type. You wouldn't ideally want either. However you the majority of people survive both.

As mentioned before, there's a lack of clarity as to what is meant by "survive".