Choosing not to get vaccine

[InnerDiscomfort]

Not looking to start a fight, but interested if you have made the decision not to get the vaccine and have no condition that you know of that would stop you, why not?

Family members abroad have decided not to get the vaccine (Pfizer I think). Vague concerns about it not being safe and/ or tested enough. They both work outside the home and have families. Fairly fit and healthy so unlikely to be seriously affected by COVID, under 50 years of age.

It's not something I agree with but up to them I guess. I'm also unlikely to get ill but had my first vaccine mainly to help stop the spread (and I'd like to go abroad!)

So if you haven't had it, I'm interested in your reasoning if you would care to share.

For those interested in the statistics relating to chance of having a blood clot v. chance of being hospitalised with Covid, scroll down to page 4 here: www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/chmp-annex/annex-vaxzevria-art53-visual-risk-contextualisation_en.pdf

I think it is really unfair how people who do not what the vaccine are treated. I am not having it yet, i will wait till the trials are up in 23, that is my choice to make and people who dont have it shouldn't be villified for wanting to wait. Instead eveyone who has the jab takes the piss and makes them out to be tin foil hat wearing 5g microchip nutters and that simply isnt the case. I'm not anti vax, I've had all my childhood vacinations and I've had my own children vaccinated. I also have the flu jab every year. This vaccine is new, its not like the childhood vaccines we have or the annual flu jab and I don't think there is anything wrong with waiting to wait a little while longer.

@InnerDiscomfort

What’s clear here is

1. Huge lack of understanding or public health strategies and data.
2. Anti vaccine people saying anything to try and make other looks bad for challenging them with their adult responsibilities
3. Same self rationalisations that’s occurred at Christmas re breaking rules and look what happened then.

Having looked after Covid ptns I can’t believe people. They do t know how lucky they are to have a vaccine. They have also not lived the horrid diseases that were common place until vaccines. They don’t realise this is a war for health.

I am shamed of certain people in this country and their utter selfish lack of community.

@AppleJane

Would you demand their parents informed you of their vacc status first?

If your child was vaccinated why would you need to know?

Well that's exactly my point. Posters on here fully vaccinated demanding to know if others have had their vaccines. Just doesn't make sense.

[quote Justa47]@InnerDiscomfort

What’s clear here is

1. Huge lack of understanding or public health strategies and data.
2. Anti vaccine people saying anything to try and make other looks bad for challenging them with their adult responsibilities
3. Same self rationalisations that’s occurred at Christmas re breaking rules and look what happened then.

Having looked after Covid ptns I can’t believe people. They do t know how lucky they are to have a vaccine. They have also not lived the horrid diseases that were common place until vaccines. They don’t realise this is a war for health.

I am shamed of certain people in this country and their utter selfish lack of community.[/quote]
I’ve lived through plenty of those ‘horrid diseases’ - measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough. The meningitis vaccine only came out a few years ago. I guess some of us are older than you think Yes, it’s great that there are vaccines for them now. Most people do appreciate that and have given them to their children .

You seem very anxious about covid. Disproportionately so. Perhaps you should speak to someone? It’s completely understandable given all the negative reports we’ve been bombarded with over the last year.

I had covid about 7 weeks ago. I am 32 and have decided to wait a while before getting a vaccine until there is more information, as I am assuming I have some immunity for now. My DP thinks the same. If we hadn't just had covid we would get the vaccine asap though

[quote Justa47]@InnerDiscomfort

What’s clear here is

1. Huge lack of understanding or public health strategies and data.
2. Anti vaccine people saying anything to try and make other looks bad for challenging them with their adult responsibilities
3. Same self rationalisations that’s occurred at Christmas re breaking rules and look what happened then.

Having looked after Covid ptns I can’t believe people. They do t know how lucky they are to have a vaccine. They have also not lived the horrid diseases that were common place until vaccines. They don’t realise this is a war for health.

I am shamed of certain people in this country and their utter selfish lack of community.[/quote]
I agree ppl are selfish. All they think about is themselves.

They won't be as happy when countries may deny them entry, it may become a condition of employment in certain areas.
Why should they ,( unless advised not to vaccinate) get to enjoy all the benefits of society, without taking the vaccine to protect the most vulnerable.

And research into vaccines for Corona style illnesses have been going on for nearly 10 years.
Hardly new.

Do you think after the programmes complete and you finally decide to get it that your GP will rush to get you it ASAP.

It's a shame there's not a waiver. If you refuse the vaccine and you get Covid then you should be billed for any required treatment.

It's a shame there's not a waiver. If you refuse the vaccine and you get Covid then you should be billed for any required treatment.

Oh fgs. First it was "if you don't follow the rules you shouldn't get nhs treatment". Now we have moved on to "if you don't get the vaccine you shouldn't get nhs treatment"

If you refuse the vaccine and you get Covid then you should be billed for any required treatment.

Great idea. Let’s also deny treatment to smokers and people who are obese shall we? I mean, smoking and obesity put a massive strain on the NHS and they also involve personal choices, don’t they?

Should we do that with alcoholics, smokers, the obese, cyclists?

Tell you what / if I’m guaranteed a decent payout if I become permanently disabled and unable to work/care for my kids I might consider it. But I’m not! I would be left to rot - like the NHS workers who got narcolepsy
after the swine flu vaccine were

[quote Justa47]@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

Yes I think vaccinations for Covid unless contraindicated should be compulsory.
We live in a community and while you say your choice about what you put in body it is by definition not others choice that you pass to them by allowing the virus to propagate in the un vaccinated population.

Hence unvaccinated remove choice from others.

It’s a pandemic it kills people and we can stop it.

Why would you not to the selfless act?

They is only one reason. You don’t like it being pointed out.

You bully others but having a it’s my body BS when you risk others lives.

How very sad[/quote]
Justa47
Ok, through you posts we all understood what a selfless and caring member of the community you are. However it does not give you the right to call other people selfish just because their opinion is different.

Vaccination is designed to give recipient antibodies in order to have milder form of the disease and hopefully not letal outcome. But they still can pass it on, and that includes you.

People who already had COVID already have antibodies and why create more with the vaccine with possible side affects? Maybe in months to come. So it is a choice, individual choice. And it is not risking other lives.

I did not have Covid, hence no antibodies. I am booked for Pfizer but still not sure as would much prefer my immune system to kick in.

Everybody should have a choice and sorry, I would not leave my child without a mother for the sake of supposedly avoiding permanent lockdowns and ‘saving millions’ as another very opinionated poster suggested. No would I be shamed into doing anything against my beliefs by the society.

It's a shame there's not a waiver. If you refuse the vaccine and you get Covid then you should be billed for any required treatment.

I can’t believe people are still trotting out shit like this.

And on the other hand, shouting about “community”

Personal choice? That's not allowed any more. Apparently you are selfish and need to grow up if you believe in bodily autonomy.

And we're the ones who are nuts?

I don't think they realise either that the overuse of selfish means it's lost its effectiveness. Time to find a new buzz word guys

Actually yes, we should all be adults and bend down

I’ve cancelled for the second time. Just heard back from the GP surgery that AZ is again the only vaccine available on the day of my appointment. I really dislike feeling backed into a corner.

Do you think after the programmes complete and you finally decide to get it that your GP will rush to get you it ASAP.

Actually yes, I think they will, as they are paid for every person who gets 2 doses of the vaccine. And as for the programme being 'complete' - that looks like being some years off, as boosters are already being talked about for this autumn or next year. I don't think we've seen an end to this programme for quite some time.

@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

I wonder what you said that was deleted.

@BusyEvenForBee
@bumbleymummy

Yes I looked after patients.

It’s a pandemic not normal times.
Normal rules don’t apply.

It’s a medical war.

[quote Justa47]@BonnieDundee
@LondonWFuck

I wonder what you said that was deleted.

@BusyEvenForBee
@bumbleymummy

Yes I looked after patients.

It’s a pandemic not normal times.
Normal rules don’t apply.

It’s a medical war.[/quote]
I don't actually know why @BonnieDundee's post was deleted. I have seen far far worse on this thread.

It is all very well saying the vaccine should be mandatory, and that people who decline the vaccine should be denied medical treatment (or have to pay) if they get Covid, or that they should be denied access to restaurants, events etc...

The truth is that the vaccine is a choice, there is no penalty to not having it, and people who catch Covid are treated based on need, not whether not they have had the vaccine. No amount of stamping your feet will change that. You are just daydreaming about some sinister dystopia.

@gelatodipistacchio

I reluctantly got the AZ jab last week - reluctantly because I'm a healthy 40 year old woman and I'm not thrilled about the (very minor) blood clot risks

I think anyone who chooses not to get vaccinated is a freeloading, selfish twat who doesn't care about the greater good.

You’re entitled to your opinion but you are very wrong. :) just because you decided to have the vaccine doesn’t make you some kind of saint, offering yourself up for the ‘greater good’. Get over yourself.

Yes London. Justa47 is allowed to be rude to me repeatedly but when I'm rude back that's not allowed. MNHQ have confirmed to me that

"I am shamed of certain people in this country and their utter selfish lack of community"

does not break talk guidelines.

I intend to continue posting so if I don't, it will be because I can't.