Sorry to be morbid, but who are the people now dying of Covid 19 in the UK?

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Surely all the ECV people (both in terms of age or medical issues) have had 2 vaccines by now and had had them 28 days ago?

I am quite perturbed that our death rates are still so high tbh.

My Mum had her first dose just before Christmas and at that time they were honouring the 2 or 3 week gap between vaccines, so yes I guess she was in the first million or so people to get both their doses done before policy was changed to giving more people 1 dose with a longer wait for the second dose.

So sorry to hear of sad losses on this thread.

I'm ECV & only had my second vaccination a week ago, 3 another two weeks yet until
I'm as protected as I can be. I don't know how much protection it will give me, I'm still being incredibly careful, but if I got it, I'm not sure I'd make it.

I think the numbers are incredible
(But still obviously devastating for family & friends 💐)

My worry is them not staying low if they open up travel etc.

But like you, I'd like to know who is still dying from it - I understand all the case numbers, but I'd like to know who is/isn't recovering once in hospital.

@NeverTalksToStrangers 💐I am SO SO sorry to hear about your Dad. Big hugs xx

The numbers aren’t high?

Gabs - I know there's millions who haven't been vaccinated yet, but we have always been told that deaths in the under 50s/40s whatever it is are "extremely rare" so to me the deaths that are still sadly happening seem quite high.

@OhShitShit

I live in an area with a high rate of covid.

I know 2 people this week who have died of cancer.

I know 0 who have died of covid.

I know what I’m more worried about atm.

I am sorry to hear you have lost several people to cancer. I am not in an area that has had a high infection rate and I know three people who have died of covid and one who spent time in hospital very ill. But black and asian people have been much more likely to die of covid. So it depends on what kind of people you know. Two of the people were older, but one a black woman was only in her fifties. Her death was a major shock.

@GabsAlot

its dying with covid not of covid so i dont take much notice of the -if you have a heart attack butg test postive for civd it goes down as covid

and theres still millions who havent been vaccinated yet

You know severe covid infection causes heart attacks and strokes? I trust the Drs when completing the death certificate to know whether they died of covid or not. And of the 150,000 people who had covid mentioned on their death certificate, about 90% died of.

At my work only a quarter of staff have the offered vaccine (back in Jan - social care).

All are over 50.

I think if you take a look at the death figures over the last two years of other conditions/ illnesses it may give you some perspective on Covid figures, not that that reduces so the loss but we will have deaths from Covid everyday now like many other conditions/illness. Plus like people say it’s “within 28 days of a positive Covid result” someone could have came into a hospital from a heart attack, be very seriously ill from that; test positive for Covid after a week or two in hospital. Then die due to the complications from the heart attack but still be in the Covid death figures.

I’m ECV, had both jags and was told as part of a study I’m involved in that the vaccine doesn’t appear to have taken with me (yes they did a whole host of tests, yes they know what they’re doing, no you don’t know better than the scientific professionals < just for those who ask the same questions over and over) so I’m always going to be at greater risk despite vaccines. There will be tens if not hundreds of thousands like me in the UK alone.we’re the ones dying

@fiheka do you mind me asking where the figure of 90% came from? It’s very different to the figure I have seen being discussed and documented.

We don’t have a high death rate. People who are - to put it crudely - on their way out anyway, will die of COVID regardless of the vaccine. Just as the flu vaccine doesn’t stop all flu deaths. People who are extremely frail, elderly, weak etc can, and do, die even from a simple cold.

Dying with is key here. Of course people are still dying, they always do. Sone of those will have any bug that's going round at the time, that doesn't mean they died of it. As others say, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it, just stops it being so serious.

Also, in some communities, take up of the vaccine has been low.

27 deaths in a population of 70 million is not high.

Some people chose not to have the vaccine

[quote DonnaDonna01]@fiheka do you mind me asking where the figure of 90% came from? It’s very different to the figure I have seen being discussed and documented.[/quote]
I saw it on an article discussing the ONS figures. Couldn't swear to it, but I think it was in the Financial Times.

@laidbacklife

We don’t have a high death rate. People who are - to put it crudely - on their way out anyway, will die of COVID regardless of the vaccine. Just as the flu vaccine doesn’t stop all flu deaths. People who are extremely frail, elderly, weak etc can, and do, die even from a simple cold.

That is sometimes the case, but certainly not always. I know three people who have died of this. One was very elderly and frail. The other a man in his seventies who regularly spent an hour or two in his garden every day gardening and went long walks. He was very fit and certainly not on his way out as you put it. Third one a woman in her fifties, a work colleague who was very far from on her way out. It is heartless to claim things like this when people here have lost people to covid.

This is about people dying now fikeka, when numbers are much lower. No one's disputing that deaths were down to the virus earlier in the pandemic or that some still are.

I'm CEV and only had my second dose this week, like @WeatherwaxLives I also take immunosuppressive medications, so won't actually know how much protection I will get, for this reason my family have had their first dose, including my 18 year olds

My husband has asthma and is 66. His 2nd jab is this weekend. I am 60, and overweight, with an auto immune disorder. My 2nd jab is in 2 weeks. My close friend is 61 and very vulnerable with steroid dependency. Her 2nd jab is this weeks also.
I’m not saying we would die with Covid, but we are still vulnerable. Plus, some are refusing to be jabbed, including our 93 year old friend. We’re not quite there yet.

@Gullible2021

Sadly a woman in the next town died a couple of weeks ago, she was 45, very overweight and sadly not eligible for the vaccine for another couple of weeks. She was someone who really lived life the the full and caught Covid as some of the restrictions were lifted and people started getting out and about more. Apart from her weight and some joint problems she wasn’t considered CV. Her death was a big shock for all of her family. She’s not the only mid 40s woman I know locally that has died of Covid. Quite a few school and college staff from late 30s up died locally during the pandemic from Sept 2020 to now. The only thing I can see could have possibly been an issue was being overweight but below the BMI threshold that would have made them eligible for the vaccine.

Sadly weight is a huge risk factor. It's now not really possible to be overweight and healthy. Even younger age groups are at risk.

I read the statistics and someone who is overweight is approx 30% more likely to need extra help breathing if they catch covid. This is at any age.

Once in hospital this group has a 30% increased risk of progressing needing ICU.

Out of these people admitted to ICU there is an increased mortality rate by 30%.

This is overweight compared with normal weight With no other clinical issues. It's 30% additional risk at each level just because they are overweight.

It made me sit up and lose 55lbs. I'm still overweight but only just. It's the one variable we have the choice to control. Other risk factors are outside our control.

Hasn't made Boris Johnson lose weight though.

I'm still waiting for my second dose (11 weeks) surgery has no Pfizer. I am in the vulnerable category

Herd immunity protects those who cant have the vaccine or for whom it does not work. But we have not reached that level yet.
Covid is also a risk to the many people who get other serious illnesses. For example lots of people get cancer at some point during their lives, herd immunity stops those people dying of covid while they get treatment.

If someone has been ill in hospital for a couple of months with Covid, do you somehow think it’s not reported as Covid because they first tested positive more than 28 days ago?

The ONS publish daily/weekly/monthly/annual death rates in the U.K. do you realise that currently we are seeing lower death rates in comparison to previous years?. We are seeing 5.3% fewer deaths just now than the last five year average.

Honestly, who knows why these folk are still very sadly dying from Covid. Probably a mixture of the reasons mentioned already. I personally wouldn't focus on it too much, as it's incredibly low. You only need to worry if the death rates increase exponentially.

Here's the link to the ONS data -

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending23april2021