Sorry to be morbid, but who are the people now dying of Covid 19 in the UK?

[Chicchicchicchiclana]

Surely all the ECV people (both in terms of age or medical issues) have had 2 vaccines by now and had had them 28 days ago?

I am quite perturbed that our death rates are still so high tbh.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

No need to give me the confused face! I think the deaths in the last month or two still exceed what I would have imagined after the vacvine programme. The first dose alone is supposed to offer very high protection - something like 90% with the second dose topping it up to 99% or something like that?

On what science did you base your imagining of how many people would die?

Where are you getting your 90% and 99% from?

Tbh you don't seem to know what you are talking about?

To put the deaths into context op - roughly 1600 people die everyday in the uk.

I read earlier that flu deaths are now higher than Covid deaths also.

They may have been ill with covid for a long time. Some have been on ventilators for months. Vax not 100%, can also be other risk factors/ complications

@Chicchicchicchiclana

I'm shocked at the ECV people who have only just had their 2nd dose! My mother is ECV and also over 80 and had her second dose on 11th January.

Being over 80 put her in a higher category than CEV. That's why.

@DirtyDancing

They may have been ill with covid for a long time. Some have been on ventilators for months. Vax not 100%, can also be other risk factors/ complications

Yes this too

CEV and had my second dose this weekend, first was February. Plus for people with conditions like blood cancer, we don't know if it's effective yet

I imagine its very frail people who are going to die soon and catch covid which is either the last straw for them, or just coincidental and they die of their other comorbidities. 27 isnt a high number

Hi? There was one the other day! Compared to 450 dying from cancer!

My dad died just under 4 weeks ago after catching covid in hospital. He was due to get out when someone else on his ward tested positive.

He was 78 and ECV, he was due his 2nd vaccine on his second week in hospital. He wasn't a well man and probably would have died anyway but it was definitely the covid that killed him. 8 days after he tested positive. He'd never been on oxygen before.

For a proportion of people the vaccines don't work.

Some medical conditions may prevent the vaccines working.

Some younger people will succumb - the proportion is low, but theyvare still,people who are counted.

Some people decided not to be vaccinated.

In larger numbers the ‘dying with Covid’ statistics are largely accurate. When it’s lower numbers they don’t always represent the true figure. My 70 odd year ojj oh d mother (who is CV) has only just had her second jab a few days ago so we are only just getting to a point where most at risk people are fully protected. Also some idiots didn’t want the vaccine.

People on immunosuppressants don't make good antibodies. They can get covid and become very poorly.

People recovering from cancer don't make good antibodies whilst being very poorly anyway. They can also get covid and be very poorly.

Any of these people could catch covid after full vaccination and their outcome may not be good.

Also in 2016/17 there were 20,000 deaths from flu. This is with the flu vaccination.

There will be normal deaths from flu to be factored in too, if a person has tested positive for covid then dies from flu, or gets flu then tests positive for covid their death is recorded as a covid death if it's within 28 days of a positive test. Regardless of whether they died from flu.

Statistics are only a guide.

Is it high? Its 27

There's people who haven't had the vaccine either through choice, because they have a medical reason not to or because they were hospitalised at the time of vaccination, the vaccine isn't 100% effective, people have been ill with covid for a while and died, people had covid 28 days ago and died of an unrelated cause. Your 50 yo/60yos, and is it group 6 haven't had their second dose yet.

Also no one has ever said people under 50 don't die of covid, just a low percentage of these people. There were always a recognisable number of people in their 40s dying. Younger people have died of covid and do die of covid but their risk is still low.

It’s also worth noting that some of the deaths reported today didn’t occur in the last few days but some are 2 or 3 weeks back

No, not all ecv people had their second jab 28 days ago. My sister who was only added to the ecv list when Drs were asked to look at their patients again, is still waiting for her second jab. She was not eligible for her first jab until mid to late February. She got the first available appointment as soon as she was eligible.

Also those who are housebound often had long delays for their first jab with some people not getting it until March. So they are still waiting for their second jab.
It has annoyed me that the news is telling people that everyone ecv has been fully vaccinated when that is not true. There are massive regional differences. If you are in London or the south and ecv you were probably vaccinated fully at least three weeks ago. Everywhere else the situation is much more variable.

I live in an area with a high rate of covid.

I know 2 people this week who have died of cancer.

I know 0 who have died of covid.

I know what I’m more worried about atm.

You call 1 death yesterday high Op, get a grip ffs

Some people spend weeks/months in hospital and still die
And the over 70”s I know only got 2nd jab last week

@DirtyDancing

They may have been ill with covid for a long time. Some have been on ventilators for months. Vax not 100%, can also be other risk factors/ complications

This is what I also don't understand. Where does the "died within 28 days of testing positive" come in here? This included people who were ill with covid more than 28 days ago?

@ChizzleMeNizzle

You call 1 death yesterday high Op, get a grip ffs

Not necessary! I don't need a grip. This is a genuine question, I am trying to understand. Be fucking polite, don't be a gobshite. This isn't AIBU.

NeverTalksToStrangers sorry for your loss .

Sadly a woman in the next town died a couple of weeks ago, she was
45, very overweight and sadly not eligible for the vaccine for another couple of weeks. She was someone who really lived life the the full and caught Covid as some of the restrictions were lifted and people started getting out and about more. Apart from her weight and some joint problems she wasn’t considered CV. Her death was a big shock for all of her family. She’s not the only mid 40s woman I know locally that has died of Covid. Quite a few school and college staff from late 30s up died locally during the pandemic from Sept 2020 to now. The only thing I can see could have possibly been an issue was being overweight but below the BMI threshold that would have made them eligible for the vaccine.

ChicChic- your Mum did well to get her second vaccine in January- even for someone in group 1 ( the over 80s) the very earliest vaccines ( outside trials) were only started in December 2020. Most people in England Scotland and Wales had to wait 12 weeks between doses so as others have said - those in group 4 ( the ECV) are only just now be getting their second jabs.

And sorry just to be clear I’m overweight and I wasn’t “fat shaming” or anything. It just seems to be that Covid is especially cruel to those with a higher BMI.

its dying with covid not of covid so i dont take much notice of the -if you have a heart attack butg test postive for civd it goes down as covid

and theres still millions who havent been vaccinated yet