Breaking news. Number of people post vaccine hospitalisation & deaths

[Emma2021]

Good morning

Good details in reports re the number of people that went into hospital follwing their first jab at less than 3 weeks post jab and 21 days post jabs and deaths.
Does not say if AS or pifzer or both.

Study is limited and further research is required.
The bottom line is, even after getting your jabs, social distancing is important as most will be aware here.

It's a worrying read but don't forget this is a limited study and further, detailed research is required and most that ended up in hospital post jab are described as previously being "frail."

So, please don't forget social distancing.
Get you jabs imo and SD.

www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1430834/coronavirus-uk-latest-update-vaccine-admitted-to-hospital

The majority of vaccinated people who were admitted to hospital for COVID-19 were probably infected shortly before or around the time of their vaccination

It goes on to say that

Looking at symptomatic patients, the researchers found that 40 percent of inpatients enrolled in the study developed covid-19 symptoms nought to seven days post-vaccination. A further 19 percent developed symptoms eight to 14 days post-vaccination

So in other words, the majority who became ill probably caught covid before the effects of the vaccine had kicked in, or even before they were vaccinated.

Just another Daily Express sensationalist clickbait headline.

But it doesn't say whether they are in hospital BECAUSE OF Covid or just WITH Covid. So, someone might not have any Covid symptoms, go into hospital because of a heart attack, and because the hospital tests everyone who comes in, discovers they have Covid, and then that counts as someone with Covid. We all know vaccines don't completely stop you from getting Covid, but the symptoms are a lot milder.

The whole study is at assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982499/S1208_CO-CIN_report_on_impact_of_vaccination_Apr_21.pdf and really, really isn't worrying. The graph on p3 is particularly striking - very clear that risk of hospitalisation drops off hugely two to three weeks after vaccination and, in the words of the study, "Most vaccinated hospitalised patients were infected shortly before or around the time of vaccination, and others after vaccination but before immunity had developed".

Overwhelmingly, this shows that a single dose of the vaccine is hugely effective against hospitalisation, once it has had a chance to take effect.

The article says that the majority of deaths were in what they refer to as the ‘frail elderly’ group. As sad as all deaths are, they are not necessarily unexpected or unnatural and not linked to the vaccine or to vaccine failure.

The U.K. has sold vaccination to its population on the grounds that it gets the country back to normal. I think most people will demand this.

Emma you seem pretty obsessed with the jab and the figures. Are you ok?

The important takeaway from this article, when read in conjunction with the source report, is that the Daily Express is a disreputable fear-mongering rag that shouldn’t be allowed to call itself a newspaper.
That article is a bang-to-rights distortion of the facts.
The best thing to do is stop reading the Daily Express and get your news from trustworthy sources.

It's almost like some people and the MSM want the drama of lockdowns etc to carry on forever

@Flyonawalk

The article says that the majority of deaths were in what they refer to as the ‘frail elderly’ group. As sad as all deaths are, they are not necessarily unexpected or unnatural and not linked to the vaccine or to vaccine failure.

The U.K. has sold vaccination to its population on the grounds that it gets the country back to normal. I think most people will demand this.

The "country" is getting back to "normal"!

The vaccines never promised 100% immunity but I think they did say 100% from death.

Like most vaccines, it does not stop you from getting the virus but the impact is less severe.

IMO, people still should social distance even after the second jab and wear face masks inside, ie confined areas like shops etc and this will not just save us from covid but the flu as well to a great extent.

@AintPageantMaterial

The important takeaway from this article, when read in conjunction with the source report, is that the Daily Express is a disreputable fear-mongering rag that shouldn’t be allowed to call itself a newspaper. That article is a bang-to-rights distortion of the facts. The best thing to do is stop reading the Daily Express and get your news from trustworthy sources.

They did say and I did mention this was not a full study. The best paper for new is the Guradian I thin as it is balanced

@Motorina

The whole study is at assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/982499/S1208_CO-CIN_report_on_impact_of_vaccination_Apr_21.pdf and really, really isn't worrying. The graph on p3 is particularly striking - very clear that risk of hospitalisation drops off hugely two to three weeks after vaccination and, in the words of the study, "Most vaccinated hospitalised patients were infected shortly before or around the time of vaccination, and others after vaccination but before immunity had developed".

Overwhelmingly, this shows that a single dose of the vaccine is hugely effective against hospitalisation, once it has had a chance to take effect.

Thanks However, the post 21 days as rightly stated in the OP rightly says further investigations required,

This just goes to show that even after the jab, social distancing is important and as I said a few moments ago in another post, soc distancing ie wearing maks in shops etc as they do in certain countires is good all round especially winter saving people from the flue etc.

Lets all hope these vaccines work and once you've had your vaccine, still be careful is the message.

IMO, people still should social distance even after the second jab and wear face masks inside, ie confined areas like shops etc and this will not just save us from covid but the flu as well to a great extent.

Nope. That isn’t what the public signed up for, that isn’t what the public is going to agree to, and you’re risking undermining the necessary push to do this for now if you pretend it’s going to drag on indefinitely.

IMO, people still should social distance even after the second jab and wear face masks inside, ie confined areas like shops etc and this will not just save us from covid but the flu as well to a great extent

Thankfully, that’s only your opinion.

Have you always worn a mask inside and social distanced you help prevent flu deaths OP? If not, why not?

@StamfordHill

500/30,000,000 hospital admissions means only 1 in 60,000 people post vaccination was admitted to hospital. Discount those who were infected before developing an immune response, and the numbers fall to less than 1 in 100,000.

Thats low enough to be almost non-existent.

True but people are, were demanding fsigures as was i. You call the vaccine and possible links re clots and the UK sayins NO, NO, NO but the facts were slightly different. People have a right to know and then make a more informed decision.

I worry re side effects of the vaccine but on balance and IMO, there is no alternative to the vaccines atm so vaccines it is with social distancing until we and the world is out of this mess.

I want 100% immunity but will accept something very, very close to that and hope all the sutdies/etc will make the vaccine and people more safer.

IMO, people still should social distance even after the second jab and wear face masks inside, ie confined areas like shops etc and this will not just save us from covid but the flu as well to a great extent

And in my opinion you are delusional if you think anyone is going to do that

@Spectrumofhumanlife

Have you always worn a mask inside and social distanced you help prevent flu deaths OP? If not, why not?

No I did not but I was uneducated but now educated, I do.

Along with vaccines and soc distancing, we and the world will get out of this mess more quickly, IMO

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

IMO, people still should social distance even after the second jab and wear face masks inside, ie confined areas like shops etc and this will not just save us from covid but the flu as well to a great extent

And in my opinion you are delusional if you think anyone is going to do that

Where did i say i thought everyone would do that. You know i did not say that so don't misquote me.

Along with vaccines and soc distancing, we and the world will get out of this mess more quickly, IMO

The virus isn’t going away, though. So unless you want ‘soc distancing’ until the end of time, you’ll have to just put up with getting access to highly effective vaccines for free.

I agree with Emma. I think we need to be cautious for a while yet, give it a chance, I’ll be anyway.

We just have to start living with this thing now don’t we. 100% immunity from any virus is pretty hard... we live with viruses which cause fatalities in a minority of people and this one will become like that. We will still have deaths attributed but they will be fewer in frequency from what we have experienced. So many people have been saved from dying from flu this year but we cannot continue living like this forever...

Its also important to note that a lot of this is probably the care home issues that were around at the start of the vaccination process - which is vaccinations were occuring in care homes that already had COVID

The study itself says

We are unable to identify Tier 1 care home residents from our data – these people are likely to be predominantly allocated to Tier 2

Of course further research is required - I think possibly around now that Tiers 5 and above have been fully vaccinated (after all that is where efficacy is measured from)

I didnt find it worrying though reading the actual report but rather reassuring that it is working but needs time