School pupils vaccinated from September

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This is in lots of papers today. Such as:

www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19274021.secondary-school-pupils-set-get-covid-jab-september/

And:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/02/nhs-england-draws-up-plan-to-give-covid-jabs-to-children-12-and-over

What’s your reaction?

Mine is that I 100% won’t be allowing my children to be vaccinated.

In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all.

The government has assured us till they are blue in the face that schools are safe and that children don’t spread it so it will be interesting to see what kind of enormous gaslighting they attempt to pull off to persuade parents they now need to vaccinate their kids.

The long term effects of the vaccines are totally unknown and recent events with AZ have proved rather horribly that even after a vaccine is rolled out, serious effects can come to light. Including events that disproportionately affect certain age groups.

I’m fully vaccinated (including first Covid vaccine) as are my kids but there is no way I’d let them be vaccinated in September. With any of the vaccines.

Ok TrulyWonder I get what you are saying about the fragile and time-sensitive nature of herd immunity but the government is going to have to give us some decent data and graphs on that (not out of date ones, or ones where they halved the y axis like last October/November.

The last I heard apart from trials are underway was that this vax "absolutely won't be used on children because they are not at risk" followed by "schools are safe" so they need to convince a lot of parents, ASAP.

And they need for children to be talking no more risk than the companies producing the vaccines are willing to take.

Then I'm listening.

*Pronvaxxer, Novavax stage 3 trial, both kids had all child vaccines including older boy who just had hpv recently

Yes it's an opinion piece but only twaddle because you don't agree with it.

@Nappyvalley15

Yes it's an opinion piece but only twaddle because you don't agree with it.

No twaddle because I can't stand the BMJ Seriously spouting stuff all the time like it is fact. There only saving grace is when they actually do a proper factual article linking to evidence. They can do that well when they try.

@TattyDevine

Ok TrulyWonder I get what you are saying about the fragile and time-sensitive nature of herd immunity but the government is going to have to give us some decent data and graphs on that (not out of date ones, or ones where they halved the y axis like last October/November.

The last I heard apart from trials are underway was that this vax "absolutely won't be used on children because they are not at risk" followed by "schools are safe" so they need to convince a lot of parents, ASAP.

And they need for children to be talking no more risk than the companies producing the vaccines are willing to take.

Then I'm listening.

*Pronvaxxer, Novavax stage 3 trial, both kids had all child vaccines including older boy who just had hpv recently

From what I hear we still are not saying we will vaccinate teens. What is being said it that the option to do so in September or whatever in the future is being considered.

I believe it has to be something we look into and trial. We don't know that by September there won't be a more dangerous situation or something. It definitely looks very unlikely but having options is a good thing.

Personally as I have previously said on this thread I am open to the idea. I would need to see the data and information from American, Israel and possibly Europe first. They are all supposed to be vaccinating their teens months before we will have to make a decision. I would also let my son decide once I am happy. He could of course disagree with me.

The trouble is we all think the virus doesn’t affect children much or very rarely puts them in hospital. Well that’s true not many children have been hospitalised compared to adults of course.... but that doesn’t mean the ones that are ill are just abit snotty for a day or so, all four of my robust, healthy children with zero underlying condtions and 100% school attendance have been off school with the virus (poss Indian variant or other variant of concern phe contacted us regarding that fact) very high temps, heachaches and although these symptoms lasted about four days the loss of taste and smell remain, that’s very concerning , who knows what other effects there may be... I would rather they had a vaccine than their bodies have had to be exposed with zero defences, they will all get it when offered to protect against future infection and to protect younger children they will be coming into contact with (school, shops, parks, trampoline place, parties, kids hair salon etc etc) that may be not vaccinated initially. It’s better for your body to have some form of defence than none.

The BMJ piece is quite sensible. As PP says, the inevitable deaths and disabilities caused by a a possible requirement will set back the ‘cause’ for other vaccinations so they need to tread carefully and make sure that child vaccinations won’t be mandated for schools/sports/other activities.

People would be a lot more accepting if the emergency use approval was limited to children that really needed it, as outlined below, and not a requirement for otherwise healthy children:

Emergency use authorizations for child vaccinations can make sense for children for whom the benefits are greatest, and thus for whom it is clearest that the benefits outweigh any unknown harms. In the near term, emergency use authorizations should be considered for children at genuinely high risk of serious complications from infection. It is also worth considering whether emergency use could be authorized for children whom especially concerned caregivers are sheltering from school or social interactions. The small risk posed to children by covid-19 does not merit restrictions on any regular child activities in a context where adults are protected by vaccines

I’m an adult and my vaccine was about four weeks ago, it’s maybe helped me a bit this week but I’ve never been so un well, I’m in bed and very weak, maybe two vaccines or longer from my vaccine first dose to exposure via my child would have been better, who knows, I’m grateful my body has had some help to fight it off so far but am
Not over the worst yet I feel, my dh has had two doses and he also has begun symptoms after a few days caring for me and children, we had no choice, they are too young to be unwell in room alone. If children are vaccinated and transmission therefore reduced alongside serious illness for young and old that is what we need or this will go on and on, my kids school has sent two classes home as a result. I am usually very pragmatic about things, very resilient and physically strong but this latest episode for our family has completetly floored us, our vaccines have helped though but everyone isn’t safe until everyone has a vaccine

@Slowdownandsee so you are both fully vaccinated and have now come down with covid and never been so ill? But you think the vaccine is helping? Have I read this correctly?

I’ve had first dose about four weeks ago and I’ve never been so poorly as I was last week with covid, perhaps it gave me some protection and prevented me calling for outside medical help, who knows but i could hardly walk from bed to bathroom, just competely floored by virus, high temp no coughing but tight chested and congestion in nose/throat, just so weak, two doses may have reduced what i went through further

I am so happy to be an EU citizen at this point. They are highly likely to approve P. for under 16s and as soon as that happens our son will get his jab.

@Slowdownandsee

I’ve had first dose about four weeks ago and I’ve never been so poorly as I was last week with covid, perhaps it gave me some protection and prevented me calling for outside medical help, who knows but i could hardly walk from bed to bathroom, just competely floored by virus, high temp no coughing but tight chested and congestion in nose/throat, just so weak, two doses may have reduced what i went through further

Did you test positive for covid because there are circulating cold and flu viruses as well? May I ask how many weeks after your vaccine you have covid

I’m in the US and the Pfizer vaccine has been approved for 16 & 17 year old for a while now. In my area, 40% of that age group have received at least their first dose. My DD (16) will get her first dose soon, she’s healthy with no underlying conditions so I’m comfortable with her having it.

Can I ask a question? Those of you that are happy; do you not have concerns about the lack of long term data on any of these vaccines? For example, there is now more research going on into menstrual effects - so know it can impact the hormonal system - but as far as I can see we have little idea what can happen longer term. Does this not bother you in terms of DC who are at negligible risk from the virus itself?

Nope. My DD will be having the vaccine when it differed to her.

@Roonerspismed
my DS has about 60% chance of having inherited my IBD. We are doing everything within normal boundaries* to not trigger it. So yes, I'm happy for an mRNA vaccine, because so far it has not shown any signs of triggering any IBD related issues.

things like not drinking sugary, fizzy drinks and such.

Arosenbyanyother yes tested positive about 5 weeks after vaccine first dose, one of my children got it first from child in their class and myself and everyone in my house got it after that 😕 think it maybe the Indian variant as phe rang us a lot to find out more of where we might have got it from

And phe said was a variant of concern that we had tested positive for

Gosh slowdownandsee, that sounds awful.

I agree with what you said about the vaccine. You could be one of the small percentage the vaccine simply doesn’t work for but most likely it reduced the severity of your disease.

It seems unlike to me that it was the “Indian variant “ though.

At that time there were travel-related cases, but only in the last three weeks has there been community spread.

I think it is more likely it was either the variant first identified in South African or Brazil.

Has the school had to close multiple bubbles?

It is up to individuals however well over a year in it is quite staggering to read this -
'In the whole pandemic so far, 12 children under 15 have died in the U.K. That increases to 32 in the under 20s. The mortality rate is vanishingly tiny. A huge percentage of kids don’t even get symptoms at all'

It has never only been about deaths. It is about stopping the spread.

The more circulating virus there is, the more chance there is for vaccine resistant viruses to develop. I thought we all knew this?

Dd is 13 and the size of an adult (she is 5'9) and she definitely wants to get the vaccine so we will arrange that as soon as we are able. DS is 9 so too young but he would too if he was able.

Pfizer was approved by the US regulator for 12-15 year old and some states are giving vaccinations as early as this morning. Only a matter of time then I guess before approval given here too.

the sun give IBD is AI this is exactly my issue. My DD is incredibly low risk from
covid but i don’t know if the vaccine can trigger or contribute to autoimmunity.

It has never only been about deaths. It is about stopping the spread.

The more circulating virus there is, the more chance there is for vaccine resistant viruses to develop. I thought we all knew this?

So we're vaccinating the kids and closing the borders then, yeah?

No? Then no point vaccinating the kids to stop 'vaccine resistant viruses' from developing.

I think the morals is vaccinating one sector of the population to protect another is highly questionable