Page 11 | Has anybody managed to get Pfizer instead of astra zeneca?

RedcurrantPuff · 30/04/2021 00:42

I suspect you’ll just have to wait. The Pfizers today I imagine will have been for second doses so take priority

Scrfgkesjwjrf · 30/04/2021 00:42

@DontBeRidiculous

Only idiots refuse to listen to the science.

Which is worse, "idiocy" or a complete lack of compassion?

When you get the chance, take your vaccine and be happy about it, but other people are allowed to have qualms and concerns.

The OP wants to choose, there is no basis in science for her preference. She is welcome to have her ‘qualms’ and not take it.

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:42

@ViciousJackdaw In case you (or anyone else) is into ACTUAL evidence and not some shit articles you found on a quick Google, here's the current Public Health England advice to Medical Professionals:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/977880/PHE_COVID-19_AZ_vaccine_and_blood_clots_factsheet_v2.pdf

I'll quote for you:

Is this condition only associated

with the AZ vaccine?

All suspected cases following vaccination with any
of the COVID-19 vaccines being used in the UK
are undergoing a detailed review by the MHRA.
Up to and including 31st March, the MHRA
received 79 reports of thrombosis events with low
platelets of which 44 were cerebral venous sinus
thrombosis (CVST), out of a total of 20.2 million
doses of COVID-19 AZ vaccine given by that date.
Two cases of blood clots (thromboembolism) with
thrombocytopenia were reported for the Pfzer/
BioNTech vaccine up to and including 31st March,
but a detailed medical review by the MHRA
concluded that these were very unlikely to
be related to the vaccine. There is currently no evidence to suggest these rare events occur with the Pfzer/BioNTech
vaccine.

By the way, it also says this:

Although cases have been reported
in all ages and genders, there appears to be a
trend for increasing incidence with decreasing
age amongst adults, with the highest incidence
reported in the younger adult age groups.

Which means that people who say the risk is flat across the board and it's only the reward that varies are wrong. It does disproportionately affect the young.

Also mirrored by this reputable source: www.ft.com/content/dfaff95b-8f64-4963-9483-494498c55863

ViciousJackdaw · 30/04/2021 00:45

They showed no evidence of CVT with thrombocytopenia with the Pfizer jab

Oh, this is a thread about a specific type of clot then, is it? Well I never...

It's probably time you went to bed really, you're only going to give yourself a CVT if you carry on getting your knickers in a twist like this. Best wishes x

Ariannah · 30/04/2021 00:46

The OP wants to choose
That’s my point. You can’t choose what medicine you get prescribed. A licensed medical professional chooses for you. You can’t request a different steroid cream, or a different migraine pill, or a different measles vaccine. You get what the doctor prescribes. So why should the Covid vaccine be any different?

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:47

I spoke to my GP about whether I could have Pfizer. He said it’s not for you to decide which medicine you get prescribed - not just in this case but at any time. A medical professional decides what medicines you get prescribed. If they decide that in their professional opinion you should have Medicine A, then you will not be able to get Medicine B.

I've never heard of a good GP refusing to give someone a 'medicine B' that was highly effective at treating the condition they had and less risky than the 'Medicine A' they were offered. Or even taking the risk factor out of it, I have always found GP's open to allowing patients some autonomy over what they are comfortable doing with their own bodies. Thankfully! If your GP doesn't believe in that I'm sorry for you but medical professionals are not God and they don't get to just hand down prescriptions and elicity gratitude. If they chose to deny someone a medication that person could well ask for a second opinion and a good reason why (which wouldn't exist if the medication was available, more effective and safer), so this comparison is very flawed.

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:48

@ViciousJackdaw

They showed no evidence of CVT with thrombocytopenia with the Pfizer jab

Oh, this is a thread about a specific type of clot then, is it? Well I never...

It's probably time you went to bed really, you're only going to give yourself a CVT if you carry on getting your knickers in a twist like this. Best wishes x

Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why are you bothering to comment from a position of such deep ignorance? It's almost spelled out for you in the PHE medical literature.

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:50

@Ariannah

The OP wants to choose That’s my point. You can’t choose what medicine you get prescribed. A licensed medical professional chooses for you. You can’t request a different steroid cream, or a different migraine pill, or a different measles vaccine. You get what the doctor prescribes. So why should the Covid vaccine be any different?

But you absolutely can?! Last time I approached my GP (for a steroid cream as it happens and I swear I'm not making that up!) they started to prescribe a specific one and I said actually I've heard really good things about this other one and they said yes fair enough, that's worth a try.

Also, GPs often know less about the nitty gritty of specific medical conditions than the people that have them. You sound like my granny's generation who used to say 'Yes doctor' in a reverential tone.

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:51

Ps) I was right about the steroid cream and my condition was vastly improved very quickly.

Ariannah · 30/04/2021 00:52

I've never heard of a good GP refusing to give someone a 'medicine B'
You can request Medicine B, and if the GP says no you can request a second opinion. But at the end of the day you get what the GP says you can have. You can’t demand an alternative against the GP’s advice like OP is trying to do.

AnotherSunrise · 30/04/2021 00:53

@Crovine

If so, please share strategies.

I have a number of issues including sibling medical history that have led me to not want astra zeneca. None of these are on the list of official reasons to avoid it. But I don't want it. I went to my vaccination appointment today and explained this. They said I could have astra zeneca and that it was safe. They said they would not offer Pfizer (which people six feet away were having) because all the doses were allocated. I was advised to get a letter from my GP. However it was my GP who told me to go to the appointment and discuss at the centre. So I left without being vaccinated.

It seems like an impasse.

Has anybody managed to find a way through this?

Just have it anyway it's fine it's a vaccine and it's way better than getting covid

TruelyWonder · 30/04/2021 00:53

@Totalbeach

Blood clots, you say? After other vaccines? Yes, you are spot on, the information is easily available. Here's an interesting article from the BMJ: www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1046

Here's another article, this time about an Oxford University study:
www.marketwatch.com/story/blood-clots-as-prevalent-with-pfizer-and-moderna-vaccine-as-with-astrazenecas-report-2021-04-15

Want some more? Here you go:
www.skynews.com.au/details/_6249573295001

Good lord - when someone uses a Sky news article about a man in Australia who has a blood clot that may or may not be related to another vaccine, you know they're really scraping the barrel.

The J&J one is very similar to the AZ so unsurprising that it also causes clots. That's not a reason not to get Pfizer.

And let's not even talk about the article in the extremely reputable health source, the - er - random stock market website. Actually yes let's talk about it - and about how it isn't even talking about the same condition that the AZ vaccine is causing, just brain blood clots, not the combination of brain blood clots with low platelets - which makes them harder to treat. And which Pfizer is not in any way linked to.

I think you don't know who the bmj are and what they actually do. So you really don't need to be catty about anyone elses posts. The bmj have repeatedly published articles that equally proven right or wrong throughout the pandemic anyway. Because they publish stuff that represents the interests of doctors not scientists or the general public. They are an organisation though very respectful that represents medical staff. So a good source of general information but not scientific data.

Can't be bothered looking at the rest of your post. Mostly you just seem like a person only willing to knock AZ. Which is hardly a balanced thing. All the vaccines have different problems. I won't be having Pfizer because it could give me a bad allergic reaction for example. How do you know you haven't got an unknown allergy? The answer is you don't. Never does the OP. So just like everything you way up the risks carefully. However the weighing up here has been done by experts because you are unqualified

(Please don't post back that you have 5 science degrees / husband works in the pharmaceutical industry/ neighbour works for the government and has told you stuff. We have heard it all before. However if you have something new I always love a good laugh)

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 00:55

@Ariannah

I've never heard of a good GP refusing to give someone a 'medicine B' You can request Medicine B, and if the GP says no you can request a second opinion. But at the end of the day you get what the GP says you can have. You can’t demand an alternative against the GP’s advice like OP is trying to do.

The GP would find it very hard to prove that there was a good case against giving the patient medicine B if other patients in the same situation or even a better situation were being given medicine B. You absolutely do have the right to demand a second opinion and fight for the medicine you need. Not very hard, if it was as open and shut as this case. Luckily in this case the OP doesn't have to do that as she can just get the vaccine that's openly offered to plenty of others rather than suck up 'luck of the draw' as a reason to put herself (in her eyes) at risk.

Flowers500 · 30/04/2021 00:56

Unbelievably selfish. Tragic that people like you are able to waste resources due to the accident of birth when billions of deserving people are going without. Shame.

Ariannah · 30/04/2021 00:56

I said actually I've heard really good things about this other one and they said yes fair enough
That was still the GP’s decision. You asked and they agreed. But if the GP hadn’t agreed then you would be unable to get prescribed the cream you wanted. Because you don’t have the right to demand a certain treatment. In this case the GP doesn’t agree. The GP says no, OP cannot be prioritised for Pfizer and has to have AZ. And that’s the end of it.

ViciousJackdaw · 30/04/2021 00:59

Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Why are you bothering to comment from a position of such deep ignorance? It's almost spelled out for you in the PHE medical literature

Aw, bless your little heart. You really should get up those wooden hills to Bedfordshire, we don't want to be all cross in the morning now, do we? Nighty night.

Ariannah · 30/04/2021 00:59

You absolutely do have the right to demand a second opinion and fight for the medicine you need
And OP absolutely has the right to seek a second opinion and push for a GP to prescribe Pfizer. But she does not have the right to demand Pfizer when multiple GPs and blanket NHS policy says she can’t have it.

MouseholeCat · 30/04/2021 01:00

@Stackthecats

If you're in the TWW and don't have a positive test then you aren't pregnant yet and therefore aren't at risk.

The restriction on pregnant women receiving the vaccine is because pregnancy raises your risk of blood clots. This is due to a few things which include lower blood flow to the legs as a result of constriction of blood vessels in the legs, potential immobility, and changes in the coagulation of blood which happen to reduce bleeding in labour.

These aren't TWW or early pregnancy events but happen later on.

Ariannah · 30/04/2021 01:01

Luckily in this case the OP doesn't have to do that as she can just get the vaccine that's openly offered to plenty of others
But she can’t get the Pfizer vaccine. That’s why she’s whinging.

TruelyWonder · 30/04/2021 01:01

[quote Totalbeach]@ViciousJackdaw In case you (or anyone else) is into ACTUAL evidence and not some shit articles you found on a quick Google, here's the current Public Health England advice to Medical Professionals:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/977880/PHE_COVID-19_AZ_vaccine_and_blood_clots_factsheet_v2.pdf

I'll quote for you:

Is this condition only associated

with the AZ vaccine?

All suspected cases following vaccination with any
of the COVID-19 vaccines being used in the UK
are undergoing a detailed review by the MHRA.
Up to and including 31st March, the MHRA
received 79 reports of thrombosis events with low
platelets of which 44 were cerebral venous sinus
thrombosis (CVST), out of a total of 20.2 million
doses of COVID-19 AZ vaccine given by that date.
Two cases of blood clots (thromboembolism) with
thrombocytopenia were reported for the Pfzer/
BioNTech vaccine up to and including 31st March,
but a detailed medical review by the MHRA
concluded that these were very unlikely to
be related to the vaccine. There is currently no evidence to suggest these rare events occur with the Pfzer/BioNTech
vaccine.

By the way, it also says this:

Although cases have been reported
in all ages and genders, there appears to be a
trend for increasing incidence with decreasing
age amongst adults, with the highest incidence
reported in the younger adult age groups.

Which means that people who say the risk is flat across the board and it's only the reward that varies are wrong. It does disproportionately affect the young.

Also mirrored by this reputable source: www.ft.com/content/dfaff95b-8f64-4963-9483-494498c55863[/quote]
Honey I recognise several of the posters names trust me they know the data. It is you that have a weird obsession and don't seem to understand what people are saying. Please stop trying to advise anyone and listen we know the risks. We calculate that the experts are right. If the data starts to show anything different trust me there be dozens of thread appearing to tell you that.

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 01:02

I think

Can't be bothered looking at the rest of your post.

is the Mumsnet equivalent of 'Lalala not listening'.

As for this:

There is a whole other thread of rather odd people posting the data for clots??? Why do I need to supply that for you. Why they have made a thread of their own for clot daily information that is another discussion. To worry each other

It's just a lovely demonstration that the information you were so adamant could EASILY be found actually doesn't exist, so thanks for that. And just to clarify - it doesn't exist - not on the weekly report, not on the Mumsnet thread. I wonder why... Certainly I have absolutely no qualms about wondering what would happen if someone said they were pregnant to avoid AZ when there's not full truth and transparency flowing in the direction of the general public.

Malteser71 · 30/04/2021 01:02

Fucks sake

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 01:03

@Ariannah

Luckily in this case the OP doesn't have to do that as she can just get the vaccine that's openly offered to plenty of others But she can’t get the Pfizer vaccine. That’s why she’s whinging.

No, she's here finding out how to get it. And there are ways as many people do. Mostly it's through 'luck' so if she has to keep throwing the dice then so be it.

TruelyWonder · 30/04/2021 01:04

@Totalbeach

I spoke to my GP about whether I could have Pfizer. He said it’s not for you to decide which medicine you get prescribed - not just in this case but at any time. A medical professional decides what medicines you get prescribed. If they decide that in their professional opinion you should have Medicine A, then you will not be able to get Medicine B.

I've never heard of a good GP refusing to give someone a 'medicine B' that was highly effective at treating the condition they had and less risky than the 'Medicine A' they were offered. Or even taking the risk factor out of it, I have always found GP's open to allowing patients some autonomy over what they are comfortable doing with their own bodies. Thankfully! If your GP doesn't believe in that I'm sorry for you but medical professionals are not God and they don't get to just hand down prescriptions and elicity gratitude. If they chose to deny someone a medication that person could well ask for a second opinion and a good reason why (which wouldn't exist if the medication was available, more effective and safer), so this comparison is very flawed.

What an ignorant post

Totalbeach · 30/04/2021 01:04

@Ariannah

I said actually I've heard really good things about this other one and they said yes fair enough That was still the GP’s decision. You asked and they agreed. But if the GP hadn’t agreed then you would be unable to get prescribed the cream you wanted. Because you don’t have the right to demand a certain treatment. In this case the GP doesn’t agree. The GP says no, OP cannot be prioritised for Pfizer and has to have AZ. And that’s the end of it.

If the GP had said no I would have got a second opinion and they would have found it impossible to argue against it. This is YOUR comparison and I'm saying it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. There's no good argument why someone can't have a safer and more effective vaccine.