Anti lockdown protests yesterday.

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There is a lot being said on social media but not much in mainstream news which is interesting given how many people seem to have gone to the one in London at least. I understand there were some elsewhere in the country too.

Just curious if anyone took part
and what people think about the protests.

What enforced vaccines?

@Sadsiblingatsea

It was a fantastic peaceful march - many, many thousands of people concerned about the erosion of civil liberties and enforced vaccines.

Vaccines are not enforced.

The racist imagery, police ending up in hospital and shoppers being subjected to verbal abuse? Doesn't sound very peaceful to me.

Who has said all Jewish people feel this way. I haven't seen anyone say that. I definitely haven't.

I have said that those Jewish people that don't see it as a problem should be told they are wrong (Not my exact words but something like that. I can't remember exactly words). In fact I said the likes of you should turn them if you see it and shout at them not the general public.

Again you are trying to justify yourself. Not listening to people and learning if you don't know this stuff already. I am constantly learning new things from the communities around me about prejudice and racism. Suggest you give it a go

@Tealightsandd

The racist imagery, police ending up in hospital and shoppers being subjected to verbal abuse? Doesn't sound very peaceful to me.

Agree

Some people have a interesting view on a good day out apparently

Who has said all Jewish people feel this way. I haven't seen anyone say that. I definitely haven't.

Fab. Then if we agree that not all Jewish people feel the same way, then we can also agree that issue is nuanced, which has been the entirety of my argument all along.

@Terracotta9

Who has said all Jewish people feel this way. I haven't seen anyone say that. I definitely haven't.

Fab. Then if we agree that not all Jewish people feel the same way, then we can also agree that issue is nuanced, which has been the entirety of my argument all along.

No we are saying that all communities have a few village idiots. That doesn't mean people should listen to those idiots. You are delighting in misinterpreting the situation. Seriously what on earth is wrong with you?

You would (hopefully) not deliberately do this with black, Asian or Muslim communities. Say it is ok to a t in a way that people find offensive or upsetting just because some idiots in their community may say that is ok. You would hopefully listen to the majority that say what the fuck.

a t - act🤷‍♀️

well you need to get a grip then if you think wearing a mask is a big deal. I wear one all day at work.

Well bully for you. So do I. But not by choice and i hate it.

It's awful that businesses have suffered but they are all reopening now and will all be open by the end of June.

Not all. Two of my favourite independent restaurants have closed forever in my town. There will be many like them across the country.

And by the way those of you writing "selfish" in every post as if it makes you feel superior, you do know there haven't been spikes from previous demonstrations? So the "selfish" on repeat is getting pretty boring now 💤

@TruelyWonder

You would (hopefully) not deliberately do this with black, Asian or Muslim communities. Say it is ok to a t in a way that people find offensive or upsetting just because some idiots in their community may say that is ok

I’ve literally said multiple times that I would never presume to speak for marginalised groups that I don’t belong to, or police the boundaries of what they should find appropriate or not.

That has been the whole point of my argument from the beginning of this thread.

@BonnieDundee

well you need to get a grip then if you think wearing a mask is a big deal. I wear one all day at work.

Well bully for you. So do I. But not by choice and i hate it.

It's awful that businesses have suffered but they are all reopening now and will all be open by the end of June.

Not all. Two of my favourite independent restaurants have closed forever in my town. There will be many like them across the country.

And by the way those of you writing "selfish" in every post as if it makes you feel superior, you do know there haven't been spikes from previous demonstrations? So the "selfish" on repeat is getting pretty boring now 💤

I don't like wearing them and I won't wear them a second longer than is required but it's not as big a deal as some are making out. I do think all the moaning about masks is a bit pathetic.

Also, I've not once used the word "selfish" in any of my posts and would never do so, so I hope that wasn't aimed at me.

[quote Terracotta9]@TruelyWonder

You would (hopefully) not deliberately do this with black, Asian or Muslim communities. Say it is ok to a t in a way that people find offensive or upsetting just because some idiots in their community may say that is ok

I’ve literally said multiple times that I would never presume to speak for marginalised groups that I don’t belong to, or police the boundaries of what they should find appropriate or not.

That has been the whole point of my argument from the beginning of this thread.[/quote]
No the point of your argument for most of your posts has been to validate being at the march. You have chosen to do this by condoning offensive behaviour. Why you have done that only you know.

Anyway maybe you are right the yellow star wearing protesters are experiencing during restrictions something on a kin with this gentlemans experience (Sarcasm)

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I don’t need to validate being at a march for a cause I believe in.

I would choose to march again, 100%

Then if we agree that not all Jewish people feel the same way, then we can also agree that issue is nuanced, which has been the entirety of my argument all along.

No. The first does not lead to the second.

It may - may be nuanced within the Jewish community, or there may just be a few extreme outliers.

But for those outside the community it is not nuanced. There are a lot of Jewish people telling us it is racist. That they find it deeply offensive and upsetting. That isn’t nuanced. That’s a lot of people saying ‘this is racist towards us. Please stop.’

So it is on us to listen, act and not enable it through our actions or our silence.

@Terracotta9

I don’t need to validate being at a march for a cause I believe in.

I would choose to march again, 100%

I'll ask again, because you didn't answer me when I asked before - would you happily march again with the same people, knowing this time that there are racists/anti-Semites in their number?

I’ve literally said multiple times that I would never presume to speak for marginalised groups that I don’t belong to

But that's precisely what you are doing, when you say that Jewish people conflating lockdown rules with the Holocaust isn't anti-Semitic, and that there's nuance to the argument, and so on.

Jewish people are telling you that it's offensive, yet still you persist.

I recognise that not all members of marginalised groups feel the same way, and I also recognise that it’s not my place to police these boundaries on behalf of marginalised groups.

That’s all.

You will march with the same people knowing what you now know then

Think that says everything really

‘I’ve found one person from this ethnic minority who does not find this thing racist, and therefore I can claim it isn’t racist, even though a lot of people from that community say it is, and so I can continue to ignore the group who do find it racist’ is quite a common trope.

I’ve made it quite clear what my position is:

I don’t condone or support people wearing a Jewish star as a protest visual.

But I also acknowledge that some Jewish people feel that a comparison between Nazi germany and other situations is apt, even if I would never make the comparison myself.

That’s all. That’s literally it.

I don’t condone or support people wearing a Jewish star as a protest visual.

Except for going on marches where it’s known the organisers are ok with it and where it will be present.

Have you contacted the organisers to demand, as one of the marchers, that they condemn this racist behaviour?

One reason why the restrictions now are nothing like Nazi Germany is that you can voice your dissent now.

You literally can complain and protest and nothing happens because it isn't Nazi Germany.

Yes. And it you do complain and protest you won't be thrown into a concentration camp and murdered.

I am absolutely disgusted with what has happened today, and by the attitude of some posters on here

Some of you really need to educate yourselves.

I agree — I would never make the comparison between Nazi germany and UK today. Nor would I make that comparison with any other political situation.

This is obviously a well known poem about the nazism. However I always feel it works well when thinking about all other isms. Shows why it is all our jobs to speak up

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.