This just isn't true - vaccine article.

[itsgettingwierd]

https://apple.news/Ao810_o0oRBuX51gpgQwcOQ

As expected the government are announcing a milestone of vaccinating all priority groups earlier than advertised.

Except it's a lie

My ds is group 6 and has been told he won't be offered his first dose until at least the beginning of May because they surgery have been told they must prioritise second doses over the first ones (fair enough) and they don't have enough to do BOTH.

SO Boris - would you like you explain why you say this. Why you out vulnerable people at risk by telling the non vulnerable to go out and about thinking they aren't putting others at risk?

The vaccine programme HAS been amazing. But you haven't offered all those in priority groups a vaccine.

@itsgettingwierd that's pants & sounds like they've not managed to accommodate these cases. Some areas are better than others - I'm in NI & we have over 40s being called now.

I'd suggest seeing if you can go to your local hub with ID close to the end of day & if they're doing Pfizer they should have some& do it there & then if they know what group he's in. Not sure how GP will have Pfizer since it needs lower temps.

Hope you get sorted soon

I actually have my 2nd pfeizer at vaccination hub this week (and yes I feel guilty I'm having it and ds can't get it) and I'm going to ask them.

Good luck, OP! And don't feel guilty about having it yourself - as his carer, it's essential for you to be protected as well, and it will reduce the risk of you passing anything on to him while he is waiting. I really hope that he gets his jab soon.

OP the government said offered a vaccination.

He's been contacted by his GP so I suspect that would fall into the government definition.

He's been contacted by his GP so I suspect that would fall into the government definition

If by government definition you mean HAS NOT been offered a vaccine! He hasn't been offered one, so whatever their definition, it's a lie.

@RedMarauder

OP the government said offered a vaccination.

He's been contacted by his GP so I suspect that would fall into the government definition.

I’m wondering whether it’s his age (16) that means he’s not part of the ‘all CEV’ rhetoric. It wouldn’t make it any easier but I also imagine that the 16-18 CEV group is too small to make much noise against the headlines and general noise around vaccinations.

@RedMarauder

OP the government said offered a vaccination.

He's been contacted by his GP so I suspect that would fall into the government definition.

They haven't actually offered.

They confirmed he's group 6 months ago.

Then posted they won't be offering anyone a first dose until end of April and more likely beginning of May - so don't ask!

All he's been told is he's on that group and entitled to one in that group.

Yes there is a lot of lying/putting the most positive spin on things going on. To be fair, most governments do this, but this one is particularly egregious in that regard. For those who doubt this is true - look at northern ireland at the moment.

Cornetto he does come under their propaganda. Group 6 is all CV aged 16-64. The only under 18's offered it are the CEV and CV.

Well, that’s trickier but I’d argue your GP has been very poor here. Group 6 were released a while ago & way before the second jab programme ramped up recently. Your GP should have been assessing their patients & seen that 16 & 17 year olds only able to have Pfizer should be prioritised. There can’t be all that many 16 & 17 year olds per GP practice who qualified in that group either..

I think your son unfortunately falls into a bit of a black hole in the data here. He’s being lumped into the fact group 6 can book online but sadly is a rare case where he can’t & now is stuck because of second doses.. I’d keep badgering your GP personally, ring pharmacies & ask to be put on waiting lists for supplies that don’t get used that day.. use Facebook community groups to try get into on where Pfizer is being given and contact those centres directly.. I know my local Mormon church is where Pfizer is being given. I’d be giving them a call!

@itsgettingwierd

Cornetto he does come under their propaganda. Group 6 is all CV aged 16-64. The only under 18's offered it are the CEV and CV.

To be in group six though he must be cev/cv though?

I’m not doubting your ds’s grouping @itsgettingwierd I’m wondering if the specific statement today referred to CEV/CV adults and they’re using the definition of adult as over 18.

I’m a bit thrown by the fact you’ve been told to wait tbh, my df took a while to get booked in for various reasons (group 5) but they seemed keen to get him ticked off their list. I’m wondering if whatever definition of adult is being used for vaccinations is resulting in your surgery not being as bothered as they should be about your ds’s vaccination iyswim. If they’ve covered all their over 18 CEV/CV maybe there’s no pressure for under 18’s when in actuality there really should be.

To be fair that’s valid, they said all adults and he is legally not at the age of majority so would not classify as an adult

Uuurggh I'm not surprised you're hacked off OP. I think the speed of the vaccine programme has been fantastic, other aspects of it not so much. Is he able to have Moderna as well or only Pfizer?

Op, Can you take him with you or phone to Vaccine clinic before the date and explain what has happened. At the Gp vaccine clinic I am at. If someone comes in and is a carer with the CEV person or vice versa we will vaccinate them regardless of age. It just makes sense

DD is 25 and when she tries to book online she's told the same as you, OP - that the vaccination centre does not have the vaccine she's been allocated, and to contact her GP. When she does she's told rather shirtily that they are not doing vaccinations and will text her when and if they do, but in any case she shouldn't call them without being asked to. Even though she has been asked to.

I'm G6 and had my first (AZ) at the vaccination centre 6 weeks ago. It seems totally wrong that vulnerable young people have been hung out to dry like this. Yet another example of all this being a complete shitshow for them, poor sods.

Yes bluntness he is CV as he has a degenerative neurological disorder.

@HolmeH

Well, that’s trickier but I’d argue your GP has been very poor here. Group 6 were released a while ago & way before the second jab programme ramped up recently. Your GP should have been assessing their patients & seen that 16 & 17 year olds only able to have Pfizer should be prioritised. There can’t be all that many 16 & 17 year olds per GP practice who qualified in that group either..

I think your son unfortunately falls into a bit of a black hole in the data here. He’s being lumped into the fact group 6 can book online but sadly is a rare case where he can’t & now is stuck because of second doses.. I’d keep badgering your GP personally, ring pharmacies & ask to be put on waiting lists for supplies that don’t get used that day.. use Facebook community groups to try get into on where Pfizer is being given and contact those centres directly.. I know my local Mormon church is where Pfizer is being given. I’d be giving them a call!

Thank you so much.

I hadn't thought of pharmacies and church groups etc.

That's really helpful.

@TheVampiresWife

DD is 25 and when she tries to book online she's told the same as you, OP - that the vaccination centre does not have the vaccine she's been allocated, and to contact her GP. When she does she's told rather shirtily that they are not doing vaccinations and will text her when and if they do, but in any case she shouldn't call them without being asked to. Even though she has been asked to.

I'm G6 and had my first (AZ) at the vaccination centre 6 weeks ago. It seems totally wrong that vulnerable young people have been hung out to dry like this. Yet another example of all this being a complete shitshow for them, poor sods.

That's interesting.

So it's not just because of ds age?

Thanks for sharing and sorry you're also going through this. Holmes had some excellent suggestions of places to try above.

@Bluntness100

To be fair that’s valid, they said all adults and he is legally not at the age of majority so would not classify as an adult

Not true - vulnerable 16+ are entitled to have it.

@itsgettingwierd

Yes bluntness he is CV as he has a degenerative neurological disorder.

I’m sorry op and I hope he gets his vaccine soon, I think the point remains though, he is not an adult so would not be part of the adult grouping, which legally will be over 18s. As such the announcement is accurate.

My ds is group 6 and has been told he won't be offered his first dose until at least the beginning of May because they surgery have been told they must prioritise second doses over the first ones (fair enough) and they don't have enough to do BOTH

It isn’t the government (and in any case that article says ‘adults over fifty’ have been offered, not all in the 1-9 groups) it’s your surgery that have got it wrong. The NHS letter sent to GPs on 31 March makes it clear doses for groups 1-9 are the priority and goes in to detail of how the surgeries should ensure they have done this. Only then should they move to second doses:

If, and by exception, you have vaccine at the end of a clinic which may be wasted (as short-life Oxford/AstraZeneca stock or Pfizer/BioNTech), you may bring forward Cohort 1-9 second doses (as per Green Book) as a first step. Please do not waste vaccine. However, this should be as close to 12 weeks as possible and as a minimum at least 8 weeks after the first dose as recommended by JCVI

www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/03/C1228-Vaccination-of-adult-household-contacts-of-severely-immunosuppressed_31mar.pdf

Of course it might be that your surgery/area don’t have any Pfizer doses and so by definition can’t vaccinate him, but they should say that if that is the case.

Bluntness the article says "all priority groups" it doesn't say adults. It says priory groups which group 6 is regardless of 16/17 or 18.

It's an out and out lie and there's now 3 of us on here who all have the same sort and one of those is 25 - therefore is an adult.

The article is a lie and propaganda.

Bluntness the article says "all priority groups" it doesn't say adults. It says priory groups which group 6 is regardless of 16/17 or 18

Can you link to thr actual statement? Because all news outlets are interpreting it differently. I think it’s in the wording. No one seems to be issuing a statement, more “the government says”.

Thank you jud that gives me some questions to ask with evidence.