So are we assuming Edward and Sophie stood in the garden an consoled the queen?

[satishoused]

I hope they didn't and instead used their common sense. Hopefully more and more people are doing the same thing.

They have huge rooms but so do many of us. I have a 5000 s ft house - that does not mean the law does not apply to me.

@KayMarc

Right okay, the only idiots are those who don't follow the guidelines like last time which resulted us in having more lockdowns which then resulted in more job losses, more people suffering mental health issues.

But sure, okay, im the idiot for saying as long as the guidelines are followed.

[quote cyclingmad]@KayMarc

Right okay, the only idiots are those who don't follow the guidelines like last time which resulted us in having more lockdowns which then resulted in more job losses, more people suffering mental health issues.

But sure, okay, im the idiot for saying as long as the guidelines are followed.[/quote]
Yes you are an imbecile.....for implying the queen shouldn’t have her family visit as she has staff....you are also cold, uncaring and completely lacking in empathy ....I could go on....but I won’t...I take it you are getting the picture....enough PP have told you how horrible your posts are

@Xenia I'd like to think if you were emotionally vulnerable that people would visit and comfort you regardless of the size of your house.

The rules have exemptions for vulnerable people. Its would be hard to argue a lady in her 90s recently bereaved isn't vulnerable.

@sydenhamhiller so sorry about your mum. All the best to her, you and your wider family. Totally agree with the general points you make.

@cyclingmad Adherence to guidelines has actually been incredibly high. Higher than any behavioural psychologists predicted. The lockdowns were not caused by people breaking the guidance. They were caused by the government opening schools with little/no measures to stop covid spread.

I visited an aunt this morning. We sat in her kitchen with the door open. She is a widow with no children.
Tomorrow I will spend the day with multiple children in my classroom. I know which one is riskier.
We didn't hug or be closer than 2m away.
🤷🏻‍♀️

Tbf I know quite a few families who have lost loved ones during the pandemic (a few in sudden tragic circumstances) and they all broke lockdown rules to comfort each other - I don’t blame them really.

I would imagine the Queen is following the rules though and taking the correct measures 💕

What a strange thought!
Are you normally devoid of compassion and empathy?
I'm sure they would have hugged and consoled their heartbroken Mother inside
Nobody would wish to put the queens health at risk so they would've have been vaccinated and tested beforehand

Whilst on a human level I certainly hope they went inside and hugged her - the point remains that she has given her assent to laws over the past year that make that behaviour illegal and gives the government unprecented rights over people’s private lives and behaviour, so therefore we have a right to expect she will abide by them. My preference would be that they were abolished, but the Tories are never going to give up all this lovely power they’ve given themselves, so....

@Beeme29

Tbf I know quite a few families who have lost loved ones during the pandemic (a few in sudden tragic circumstances) and they all broke lockdown rules to comfort each other - I don’t blame them really.

I would imagine the Queen is following the rules though and taking the correct measures 💕

Providing comfort or support to a bereaved person is "Care of Vulnerable" it is not breaking covid rules.

People need to understand care for vulnerable people is a genuine exemption.

@applesandoranges221

Whilst on a human level I certainly hope they went inside and hugged her - the point remains that she has given her assent to laws over the past year that make that behaviour illegal and gives the government unprecented rights over people’s private lives and behaviour, so therefore we have a right to expect she will abide by them. My preference would be that they were abolished, but the Tories are never going to give up all this lovely power they’ve given themselves, so....

She is a 95 year old suddenly bereaved old lady...that puts her Ian the vulnerable category...by anybody’s standards....even the heartless and hard faced ....so what laws exactly is she breaking???

@cyclingmad

They should be following the guidelines like everyone else has to. Lead by example

Queen isn't on her own she has staff their.

She's more likely to follow the rules than the fucking PM and his merry band.

@Kitkat151

Your claling me an imbecile! maybe look a yourself first...where did I say the queen shouldn’t have her family visit? Come quote me on it, please do, I look forward to your searching and searchign for something you won't find.

All I said was as long as the Queen follows guidelines thats all I care about, so whatever the guidelines say she should follow it. I never said her family couldnt visit.

Except imbeciles like you read x y z into that meaning she could hug her children or whatever. If ou can find any post where I siad the Queen cannot hug anyone, or cannot have anyone visit then show me....go on

And the comment about her having staff around her was in response to someone saying the Queen lives alone well techncially she doesn't live alone when she has other people including staff around her.

So just to clarifying to people who cleary cannot read posts correctly and orobably need to get their eyes tested....

The Queen should follow the guidelines like the rest of us has to and she isn't exempt from the guidelines just because of her status.

So if the current guidelines say you can have 30 members at a funeral than follow it. If it says your allowed to have x people visit you if there is a bereavement then follow it. If it says regardless of any sitution noone is allowed to mix households indoors, then follow it.

When my Dad died in March I really couldn't have given a shit about Covid restrictions. I was staying at my parents house helping my vulnerable mother while he was seriously ill in hospital (not Covid related).

Quite a few hugs and tears were shared between my mother, myself and my sister (three different households) both then and in the run up to the funeral. We needed each other and we are absolutely NOT sorry.

Of course we had restrictions to follow for the funeral itself, but we didn't bother apart from that.

I would do it again.

@cyclingmad

So just to clarifying to people who cleary cannot read posts correctly and orobably need to get their eyes tested....

The Queen should follow the guidelines like the rest of us has to and she isn't exempt from the guidelines just because of her status.

So if the current guidelines say you can have 30 members at a funeral than follow it. If it says your allowed to have x people visit you if there is a bereavement then follow it. If it says regardless of any sitution noone is allowed to mix households indoors, then follow it.

Like I said before....cold, uncaring and completely lacking in empathy

@Topseyt

When my Dad died in March I really couldn't have given a shit about Covid restrictions. I was staying at my parents house helping my vulnerable mother while he was seriously ill in hospital (not Covid related).

Quite a few hugs and tears were shared between my mother, myself and my sister (three different households) both then and in the run up to the funeral. We needed each other and we are absolutely NOT sorry.

Of course we had restrictions to follow for the funeral itself, but we didn't bother apart from that.

I would do it again.

I would do it too.....as would any loving family....and you shouldn’t ever have to apologise to anyone.

I would do it too.....as would any loving family....and you shouldn’t ever have to apologise to anyone.

I came here to reply to your post which said sorry if you had offended me and that your post about people being heartless wasn't aimed at me. But am now not sure about accepting the apology. You said you weren't taking a swipe at me with you previous comment, yet now you seem to be making a very generalised sweeping comment "as would any loving family". So if any loving family would hug and not distance, mine must be an unloving family yes? And any family who in their grief and in the stress and confusion of all the restrictions felt they should distance and follow the guidelines, or felt that was right for them, are unloving? Is that what you really think, despite your previous post saying your comment was aimed at a specific poster?

For the record, I have no issue with the Queen begin visited, hugged and comforted, nor with anyone else bereaved having the same. Having not had that for myself, I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.

I do take issue with bereaved people who have made the decision not to hug and to distance being essentially described as unloving. No matter how much I want to, I can't turn the clock back and redo my dad's funeral and the days around it and hug people and hold people's hands and sit and have tea with them and do everything we would done in normal times. I already feel shit enough, I don't need to read something which appears to imply that if bereaved families didn't hug, that they are unloving, uncaring, uncompassionate. Do you really think my family don't love me?

@RichardMarxisinnocent
I don't know if you've read this article in The Guardian by Grace Dent about grieving and funerals and food in Covid times,
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/food/2021/feb/19/british-grief-centres-mainly-around-the-making-of-sandwiches-grace-dent
It is beautifully written, and made me cry, especially this bit, "Death is here, I can feel it – I even have the paperwork to prove it – but, as a good daughter, there is no known fixed point to stumble towards, featuring people and faces and hugs and stories and scones on three-tier cake stands."
I asked if all the people who couldn't be at my mum's funeral to sit and have a cup of tea and their favourite cake and think of my mum at the time it was on. When I stood on my own with the funeral director by my mum's coffin, clutching a handful of photos and drawings tied around a red rose, I knew they were all with me and thinking of her. When we can we will gather somewhere and eat cake and drink tea, and toast my amazing mum with a nip of whisky and talk and laugh about her quirky ways and cry that we lost her so suddenly, and we will hug and hug. I don't know if any if them think that how we handled it was 'unloving', I only know that we did the best we could and will do what we can when the time comes. As Grace Dent says, It’s an odd sort of grieving, is this.
Much love (and cake) to you

@RichardMarxisinnocent

I would do it too.....as would any loving family....and you shouldn’t ever have to apologise to anyone.

I came here to reply to your post which said sorry if you had offended me and that your post about people being heartless wasn't aimed at me. But am now not sure about accepting the apology. You said you weren't taking a swipe at me with you previous comment, yet now you seem to be making a very generalised sweeping comment "as would any loving family". So if any loving family would hug and not distance, mine must be an unloving family yes? And any family who in their grief and in the stress and confusion of all the restrictions felt they should distance and follow the guidelines, or felt that was right for them, are unloving? Is that what you really think, despite your previous post saying your comment was aimed at a specific poster?

For the record, I have no issue with the Queen begin visited, hugged and comforted, nor with anyone else bereaved having the same. Having not had that for myself, I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.

I do take issue with bereaved people who have made the decision not to hug and to distance being essentially described as unloving. No matter how much I want to, I can't turn the clock back and redo my dad's funeral and the days around it and hug people and hold people's hands and sit and have tea with them and do everything we would done in normal times. I already feel shit enough, I don't need to read something which appears to imply that if bereaved families didn't hug, that they are unloving, uncaring, uncompassionate. Do you really think my family don't love me?

You are very defensive....The ‘as any loving family would’ comment was aimed at the PP who said she had ‘broken’ the rules to mix 3 households to care for her dying Dad with her mother and her sister and for the sisters to give support to their bereaved mother who would have been without physical affection without her daughters.....you have already said that your Dad died as a single man and their was no other parent of step parent alone in their grief at the wedding and everyone had there own support....I then said maybe have done the same as you ( ie not hugged) in those circumstances....actually I wouldn’t have done the same.....I would have hugged those closest to me.....it’s the way I am......but I said that so you maybe wouldn’t feel as bad as I sensed from your post that you were taking all the comments about the Queen and her family very personally.....and then said that I was sorry for your loss....as I am sorry for anyone who has lost a close one in these times.....and yet here you are back again ??? I think your post probably says more about how you are feeling yourself about the circumstances surrounding your bereavement .......why else would you take a comment aimed to give comfort to a poster and change it round to make out it’s a swipe at you🤔 So I will say again ....none of my posts were ever aimed at your circumstances....and I AM sorry if you are offended and have taken my posts as a personal dig at you....maybe you need to keep away from these type of threads for now.....as it seems it’s still very raw for you

@cyclingmad

They should be following the guidelines like everyone else has to. Lead by example

Queen isn't on her own she has staff their.

Cant believe people are still trying to uphold this nonsense.

I don’t give a rats arse over who is with who, who hugs who and neither should anyone else..

It’s over.

[quote cyclingmad]@strawberrylipstickstateofmind

Really because plenty of people think its okay if she breaks the guidlines. Why? Becuae she is the queen, that's why.

Would you be saying the same to anyone else?[/quote]
Yes . I’ve said it many times.

[quote ballsdeep]@cyclingmad
Are you seriously saying, if a close member of your family passed away you wouldn't console your family because of the covid rukes????????[/quote]
Sadly.and I say that with all the gravitas that this year has been bestowed on this word..
I don’t think they would .

@satishoused

I disagree it is in poor taste. I have the greatest respect for them both. But this is the context against which this death has taken place and it is natural to discuss it. We are after all sleepwalking into an authoritarian police state, which I am sure the Prince himself would have abhorred.

I’m pleased there are more people than me and my family who can see this and are doing everything they can to keep their lives as normal as possible. That includes hugging each other.