Page 7 | So are we assuming Edward and Sophie stood in the garden an consoled the queen?

Nanny0gg · 10/04/2021 22:07

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo

There's something really sick about you trying to make your feelings about the Covid rules known by using a grieving widow who has just lost the man she was married to for 7 decades.

I couldn't care less if she was hugged, kissed, had 1, 7 or 300 people console her.

I agree

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2021 22:17

@MrsWhites

By my understanding as a single person is the queen now not able to form a bubble with another household? Regardless of the rules common sense and compassion has to apply!

I think to qualify as a single household you have to be an adult living alone.

I don't think that the Queen lives in that bloody great castle on her own.

I think you could probably justify it under exemptions for mental health though. And on the grounds of national security (the well being of the Queen is about national stability - the death of her consort needs to be managed well to assist this process of transfer of power within the Royal Family - Phillip was the Head of the family despite not being King and is arguably central to that stability). This might be controversial but I do think is probably legitimate.

AfternoonToffee · 10/04/2021 22:19

My MIL passed away last month. When we were told, less than a week before, that she had days to weeks to live we went to see her sister in person as I refused to tell her over the phone. It was absolutely the right thing to do, even though it was against the rules. I even had a couple of quick squeezes at the funeral.

Would I have done it this time last year? No. But now cases are plummeting, people are vaccinated and/or had covid and restrictions are easing, any risks are minimal.

RedToothBrush · 10/04/2021 22:21

Fwiw i wouldn't begrudge anyone visiting a parent in their 90s who had just lost their spouse of 70 years.

I think there's more in life to get worked up about.

Equally I'd still be very conscious of putting that relative at risk (can you imagine giving the Queen covid unwittingly?)

sonofbobandflo · 10/04/2021 22:22

@satishoused

But even if they are all vaccinated that's still against the (ridiculous) rules.

No it's not, they are providing care to a vulnerable person.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 10/04/2021 22:25

Fgs it doesn't matter. What a grieving woman and her family does is up to them in the circs, regardless of who they are.

I want to say I don't give a shit. I do give a shit, in the same way I would feel compassion for anyone who lost a life partner. I just don't give a flying fuck about the indoors/outdoors thing.

ballsdeep · 10/04/2021 22:29

@saraclara

I did thanks, and if you had read the full thread, I commented one below my comment to say this.

Lockdownbear · 10/04/2021 22:34

No it's not, they are providing care to a vulnerable person

Exactly, some people don't seem to recognise that a vulnerable person can be mentally vulnerable or physically vulnerable

swg1 · 10/04/2021 22:46

There's a bereavement bubble exemption for situations like this I believe.

SpringtimeSummertime · 10/04/2021 22:50

@DdraigGoch

The weather is lovely at the moment. Who wouldn't do a garden visit even if it weren't for covid?

Not here. 2 inches of snow and roads closed. (England)

SpringtimeSummertime · 10/04/2021 22:51

@swg1

There's a bereavement bubble exemption for situations like this I believe.

There is.

sydenhamhiller · 10/04/2021 23:17

I found out 2 weeks ago that my mum had myeloma and plasma cell leukaemia and had less than a year to live.

Diagnosis had been delayed because due to covid her usual lacklustre GP practice kept on diagnosing a pulled muscle over the phone.
I live 6 hrs drive away and due to restrictions and having caught COViD myself, had not seen them since August. We have all been law abiding all year, but I wasn’t waiting any longer or wasting any more precious time. Her consultant agreed.

I came up and it has been shocking. She was in so much pain she wanted to die. I have spent a week sorting out blue badges, and stair lifts and carer/needs/ OT assessments, renting a wheelchair whilst we wait for hers to arrive, getting her registered with the palliative care team, getting her meds changed so now pain is 7/10 not 20/10, and her screaming in agony trying to get to the toilet.

So, do I care if Edward and Sophie comforted the Queen as her husband and his father has just died: no. Have a heart. What is wrong with some of you? My family has had an awful couple of weeks. And it’s such a cliche that the cracks of light in some of these dark days has been the love and kindness of friends and strangers. That’s what it all boils down to. Not this horrid, petty nit-picking over someone else’s private heart break.

Loveisthehope · 10/04/2021 23:22

For everyone on here who has suffered or is suffering I wish you all the hugs and care in the world

Hanidjed7 · 10/04/2021 23:38

All PP titles pass to Charles as oldest son, but when Charles becomes King ALL titles revert back to the Crown. Charles then, as monarchy, dishes them all out again. It was agreed at time of Edward becoming an Earl that he'd get Edinburgh at that time.

DdraigGoch · 10/04/2021 23:44

Where is the weather lovely?
@AcornAutumn Over most of the country judging by the footage of the 41 gun salute at lunchtime.

Loveisthehope · 10/04/2021 23:45

It was flippin freezing, grey and sleety in the midlands where I am

swg1 · 10/04/2021 23:48

@sydenhamhiller

I found out 2 weeks ago that my mum had myeloma and plasma cell leukaemia and had less than a year to live.

Diagnosis had been delayed because due to covid her usual lacklustre GP practice kept on diagnosing a pulled muscle over the phone.
I live 6 hrs drive away and due to restrictions and having caught COViD myself, had not seen them since August. We have all been law abiding all year, but I wasn’t waiting any longer or wasting any more precious time. Her consultant agreed.

I came up and it has been shocking. She was in so much pain she wanted to die. I have spent a week sorting out blue badges, and stair lifts and carer/needs/ OT assessments, renting a wheelchair whilst we wait for hers to arrive, getting her registered with the palliative care team, getting her meds changed so now pain is 7/10 not 20/10, and her screaming in agony trying to get to the toilet.

So, do I care if Edward and Sophie comforted the Queen as her husband and his father has just died: no. Have a heart. What is wrong with some of you? My family has had an awful couple of weeks. And it’s such a cliche that the cracks of light in some of these dark days has been the love and kindness of friends and strangers. That’s what it all boils down to. Not this horrid, petty nit-picking over someone else’s private heart break.

This is also covered under restrictions both under "care of someone vulnerable" and "visiting someone reasonably believed to be dying". I'm not pointing this out to be snarky but because I'm concerned that people might be avoiding doing these things or telling anyone because they think they're breaking the law. This is allowed. You're fine. You're absolutely doing what you should be doing and I'm so sorry.

Kitkat151 · 10/04/2021 23:57

@swg1
Yes good points to point out...i went to stay overnight with my 85 year old Mum for Mother’s Day....all within the rules even though she lives 90 mins away from me as she is part of my bubble as she lives alone......she needed some jobs doing around the house....some shopping picking up and some company as it’s very lonely being indoors alone..,,,one of her neighbours passed a comment as I arrived about rule breakers...,and I let fly at her.....how dare people judge others ....this woman knew nothing about my circumstances or my Mums.....and the day I wont be there for my Mum cos of any rules is the day hell freezes over

Lockdownbear · 11/04/2021 00:31

Exactly the rules have exemptions for vulnerable people for a reason and people should use those exemptions when they need to.

@sydenhamhiller Sorry to hear about your poor mum. I hope you're able to get her comfortable soon.
Have no guilt about using the exemptions that are in place for a reason.

If you haven't already had your jag might be worth asking for one as an unpaid carer.

battleaxe2000 · 11/04/2021 08:45

OFGS Edward and Sophie are both over 50, HMQ is over 90 I am sure they are all vaccinated and your employees (the staff) do not count as family members. HMQ is known to be very close to the Countess of Wessex their children are more self sufficient and no grandchildren I would say they are the obvious choice for a support bubble

Abraxan · 11/04/2021 09:07

*I think to qualify as a single household you have to be an adult living alone.

I don't think that the Queen lives in that bloody great castle on her own.*

I don't think staff count to your household numbers.

Lockdownbear · 11/04/2021 09:23

Staff won't count in the numbers any more than a carer or cleaner would in any other elderly persons house.

They will be considered to the staff though who may not have been vaccinated but are part of HMS Bubble.
I'm not sure what extra restrictions the staff have had put on them but effectively they have been shielding HMQ and PP until now.

KayMarc · 11/04/2021 09:56

@cyclingmad

They should be following the guidelines like everyone else has to. Lead by example

Queen isn't on her own she has staff their.

Idiot

RaspberryCoulis · 11/04/2021 10:09

@satishoused

I hope they didn't and instead used their common sense. Hopefully more and more people are doing the same thing.

Who gives a shit. Really.

A 94 year old woman who has just lost her husband of 73 years is visited by her son and the Covid Police are making sarky comments about hoping they stayed in the garden?

All fucking compassion out the window.

Her Maj will have had 2 jabs. Edward is 57 and Sophie is 56 so I would imagine they will both had at least 1 jab.

I hope they went in and hugged her, held her hand and grieved together.

luckylavender · 11/04/2021 10:19

They have huge rooms though