AZ clots and bans for under 30's risks over what period, 2nd jab questions

[Emma2021]

Hiya
I always suspected there was truth behind the AZ clots, even though our gov is saying it's not proven but evidence is getting "firmer."

I said to my OH a few weeks ago not everyone in the EU hates the UK and there must be some truth. The about 3 weeks ago when the media started spouting "risks outweigh the benefits" spouting what the politicians etc where say I said to my other half, that is the evidence that there is a lot of truth to the clots link.

ATM still in fav of vaccines but all along I preferred the Pifzer but got the AZ

Questions:

when do people that had clots start getting the sympotoms ie a few hours after the jab, a few days, weeks, etc?

what are the treatments if caught early

those waiting, getting their 2nd AZ, are they are risk of these clots?

These questions need answers ASAP and non of the media gang seem capable of pulling up the politicans/SAGE re these answers and all we will hear now is - "risks outweight the benfits" - True but we need to know

Before I finish this post, last week MHRA I thing relaeased stats re clots 1 in 600000, I said to my OH, I bet you its much greater risk than that and yes, today they said its 1 in every 250000 and that is for 20 million jabs - we've done 33 million first jabs so the firgures of the dead and the affected will be higher.

If you see a good, honest news item, etc please point me that way.

We are due our second and worried as we are for our familys like us all as some with medical conditions have had their forst and a few had second ones lot before the 12 weeks and I may be wrong it could be due to people refusing the AZ. I got a call yesterday and my OH last week calling us for the 2nd but we said no we want to wait 11 to 12 weeks as brain washed by our gov that a second jab of AZ is more effective in weeks 11 to 12.

Hiya

I made a big effort to post this can someone help, please.

I think you would be better to direct your questions to your GP, rather than this forum to be honest OP. Hope you get some answers.

The 6pm BBC news today had a reassuring story on this.

Whilst I agree this is a GP issue, it is still a helpful post for those of us who have had the first jab and are awaiting the second, but feel nervous.

It's also worth pointing out that GPs (at least mine) are steadfastly refusing to answer any questions on the vaccine, they'd be overwhelmed if everyone with worries contacted them, and it's pretty hard to see them for medical issues, let alone worries from arising from the new guidelines surrounding the AZ jab.

So I'm watching with interest. I know there are several threads, but the issue surrounding fears about having the second jab are valid, and I, for one, am pretty unsure whether I want it or not.

Have a google and watch the HMRA press conference today. BBC news carried it and the EMA one at 3pm

Lots of data that would answer most questions.

@Lightsabre did they say that the jab was considered safe if you had the first one without incident? (I'm hoping that if you were likely to be affected then it would be after the first jab, not the second, but am interested if this has actually been addressed).

Do people really think that GPs have the knowledge or more importantly the TIME to talk to everyone that quite rightly is concerned by this news?

[quote feelingmean21]@Lightsabre did they say that the jab was considered safe if you had the first one without incident? (I'm hoping that if you were likely to be affected then it would be after the first jab, not the second, but am interested if this has actually been addressed).[/quote]
I can't see how they know this as not enough second jabs have been administered, it's taken three months to make this decision for the first jab.

Sorry I don't think they did but wouldn't the risk be the same for each jab? I'm not a scientist or statistician I'm afraid. I'm sure we'll learn more in the next few days.

Both the HMRA and the EMA said there isn't enough data on 2nd jabs but that the data is growing daily. They are watching it.

@Whichjab not really to be honest. But I would imagine a little more than a bunch of randoms on the internet.

There was a chap on the radio earlier who said there have been 800k second AZ jabs so far, no reports of blood clots yet. Not sure if that figure was for England only or UK.

Whichjab that's the problem with real time science. It takes so bloody long!

@feelingmean21

Whilst I agree this is a GP issue, it is still a helpful post for those of us who have had the first jab and are awaiting the second, but feel nervous.

It's also worth pointing out that GPs (at least mine) are steadfastly refusing to answer any questions on the vaccine, they'd be overwhelmed if everyone with worries contacted them, and it's pretty hard to see them for medical issues, let alone worries from arising from the new guidelines surrounding the AZ jab.

So I'm watching with interest. I know there are several threads, but the issue surrounding fears about having the second jab are valid, and I, for one, am pretty unsure whether I want it or not.

Excellent and exactly how i, we feel, thank you. I had my doubts and this is just confirming those. Intially I thought it was envy by the EU but more and more started saying it especially re clots and our lot banged on about the 'risk is greater if you dont get the jab' i just knew there was more to the story.

I'm worried not just for me but my younger than me family/etc who will be having the 2nd jab and we've been called up as well but waiting as per gov statments its best at 11 to 12 weeks.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Both the HMRA and the EMA said there isn't enough data on 2nd jabs but that the data is growing daily. They are watching it.

Indeed. We only know about the 2/3 of the first jabs in the uk as they said 20 million and around 33 million now given.

they don't know why and no one has said when the clots appear ie same day, next day, week or months.

@pinkearedcow

There was a chap on the radio earlier who said there have been 800k second AZ jabs so far, no reports of blood clots yet. Not sure if that figure was for England only or UK.

thanks but do we know when these people became unwell ie same day as jab, next day, next week or next month, etc.

yep and as above stated by me, ie when did they become unwell, same day, next hour, gady, week, month, we need to know. That is basic info we need it right now

Yes they have. There have been multiple informational news stories stating the risk is between 3 and 20 days. And that if you have a headache for 4 days or bruising outside of the injection site to seek help. Treatment is blood thinners. All this is out there not being hidden away. I’m confused why you are so confused!

But do you also understand that only 30 people out of 20 million AZ jabs have had issues. The risk is minuscule

It is within the first 20 days - so next Monday for DD. She's fine and hopefully will remain so. Although she did take the pill for several years, when the risk of clots would have been more significant, so she's not worried at all.

Thread title is misleading, I think. They didn't ban AZ for under 30s, just that they recommended other vaccines where possible, since younger people have less chance of seriously ill by catching covid, so considering the balance of risk and benefit?

OP you seem very anxious. If you’ve ever taken the pill, you will have been at a much higher risk of developing a blood clot than through taking the vaccine.

I don't actually care, I just want my second jab. I want things to reopen and be safe. The risk to me is miniscule and if something went wrong my life is not important. Freedom of movement is.

That's how I feel anyway.

@Runway

But do you also understand that only 30 people out of 20 million AZ jabs have had issues. The risk is minuscule

Do you UNDERSTAND its 79 people and NOT 20 as you put it.

should have said 30 not 20 and the real number is 79 not 30 as stated by the poster