AZ clots and bans for under 30's risks over what period, 2nd jab questions

[Emma2021]

Hiya
I always suspected there was truth behind the AZ clots, even though our gov is saying it's not proven but evidence is getting "firmer."

I said to my OH a few weeks ago not everyone in the EU hates the UK and there must be some truth. The about 3 weeks ago when the media started spouting "risks outweigh the benefits" spouting what the politicians etc where say I said to my other half, that is the evidence that there is a lot of truth to the clots link.

ATM still in fav of vaccines but all along I preferred the Pifzer but got the AZ

Questions:

when do people that had clots start getting the sympotoms ie a few hours after the jab, a few days, weeks, etc?

what are the treatments if caught early

those waiting, getting their 2nd AZ, are they are risk of these clots?

These questions need answers ASAP and non of the media gang seem capable of pulling up the politicans/SAGE re these answers and all we will hear now is - "risks outweight the benfits" - True but we need to know

Before I finish this post, last week MHRA I thing relaeased stats re clots 1 in 600000, I said to my OH, I bet you its much greater risk than that and yes, today they said its 1 in every 250000 and that is for 20 million jabs - we've done 33 million first jabs so the firgures of the dead and the affected will be higher.

If you see a good, honest news item, etc please point me that way.

We are due our second and worried as we are for our familys like us all as some with medical conditions have had their forst and a few had second ones lot before the 12 weeks and I may be wrong it could be due to people refusing the AZ. I got a call yesterday and my OH last week calling us for the 2nd but we said no we want to wait 11 to 12 weeks as brain washed by our gov that a second jab of AZ is more effective in weeks 11 to 12.

Australia has a very different disease profile, as well as a generally different demographic than the UK. They wil make many different decsions based on their specifics.

It's another of those "There's no right or wrong, just best advice" situations.

And the risk comparators abound across the whole of the internet, some are more applicable than others.

Op, can I encourage you to read this page on gov.uk from PHE, which answers almost all of the questions you’ve raised (including where the answer is ‘we don’t know yet’ and links to the guidance for secondary care treatment for this particular condition (rather than people on this thread sharing what is used for other clotting disorders.)

@Emma2021 it might be worth you reading up on how to interpret probability. Saying it’s riskier driving to the appointment than getting the jab doesn’t literally equate to numbers of people dying on the way to the appointment. It’s about the chance of something happening every time a journey is taken. So, around 2,000 people die each year in traffic accidents. If everyone in the UK had AZ with the current data c.80 people would die. Hence driving being hugely more risky.

A scientist this morning equated the risk of dying from a blood clot after an AZ jab as equivalent to drowning in the bath or a plane landing on your house.*

Nb that doesn’t mean x amount of planes land on houses every year!

@Emma2021 - really?! I meant that you are much more likely (hugely so) to die in a road traffic incident than of the jab. I didn't mean that statistics have been compiled specifically on deaths of people driving to get the jab...

I think you need to see a medical professional to discuss your anxiety. I really do.

Based on the assessments I’ve seen, the risk of dying as a result of this rare clotting disorder after the AZ vaccine (at the rate of death when the condition was unknown or little known) is around the same as the risk of dying in a car accident that you take per 250 miles driven.

So, not quite ‘on the way to the surgery’ but not a huge unthinkable distance either.

@pommedeterre
Why has everyone suddenly become obsessed with zero risk? It must be a side effect of lockdown anxiety I guess?
Please have some sympathy or at least make efforts to understand why people may be reluctant to vaccinate given the newly published risks. In our modern society it is tantamount to a death sentence if you live in the country and can't (won't) drive. So no, we tend to take everyday risks, well, everyday. What makes the vaccine different is it isn't an everyday event. We still don't know what the actual blood clotting risk is to younger age groups. When that needle goes in your arm you are facing that certain risk. By not vaccinating, you won't be facing the risk of covid death until you happen to contract it, and not everyone's risk is the same.

OK folks. We are in a good few months and recent weeks been hearing a lot more re clots.

Sadly, I still can't find any real news re second AZ jabs and clots.

Nor have we had an update from the 20 mill 1st jabs to the 32 million first jabs.

What I have ready over the past 2 weeks and inc today is people start feeling unwell about 10 days afterwards and intially they were dismissed but now doctors know more all are more alert.

Several questions and please do not give me that x y and z is more risky I, most of you know that but we have a right to find out the truth.

how meany peopel in the uk's firt 32 million that recd the first jab a up until a few weeks ago have had clots

Then the same as above for second jabs

Finally, how many people have ended up in hospital with covid that have had the AZ jab for at least 4/6 weeks.

We need to know. I am worried re AZ but would still take it as would my family as blanace of risk etc if as it stands. But we need answers.

FYI, the antivaxers the other day need to be educated and shame on them for wasting police time etc and increasing the risk.

@Emma2021 the most accurate way of getting information is to search for the weekly release of the government yellow card reports for AZ. They have a whole section summarising the current stats for the AZ vaccination and blood clots associated with low platelet levels. As of the last report the rate of such events was 7.9 in a million and one such event had occurred after a second vaccination. I hope that helps.

@Rainbowsandstorms

Thanks so the first does even at 7.9 in a million equates to approx 1 in 125k and was previous 1 in 250k and the first figure a few weeks ago was approx 1 in 600k

Can you post me the link please.

@Emma2021 here’s the link www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Yes those figures are correct. It’s difficult to know if the rise over the last week is due to increased awareness and may include historical cases. I think a more accurate picture will be built up over the next few weeks. I’m particularly interested to see what happens regarding second doses. So far there is only one case reported after a second dose.

The information linked above seems to be updated weekly.